EVE Information Portal

Just to post I'm sorely displeased by the lack of thought this event was organized with.

CCP_Goliath - I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to suffer the brunt of this, nothing personal - admits the routes weren't reinforced. Hardly a small mistake; furthermore you did not expect tidi - with a large scale event and no reinforcement.
Just as note, about everyone and their dog kept repeating that TIDI was obvious and inevitable and to be expected.

The blog says you did not research the destination; nor did you research the route - considering it went through known chokes.
And you did not expect to lose people to travel times. When you reached the gate camp you gave the order to push while a bunch of the people - accounts say ruoghly half - were still en route.

It seems the only thing you actually thought thourgh about for this event was the fact you believed a ragtag army of kitchen sink hisec ships, fitted for cheap and with clean clones, with no organization and mostly uknown FCs (with some heroically notable exceptions), could "trickle" through a dozen or two of hostile territory jumps including known chokes, and still be able to reach and BEAT a well-prepared, entrenched, highly organized strict doctine fleet of null sec veterans within a few jumps of their home turf.
In case it isn't obvious, trickle means you got to lose the advantage of numbers, which is about the only advantage hiseccers have when fighting in nullsec territory.

Does it sound as incredible to you as it does to me?

This event was dealt with with utter carelessness, and led to a very bad time for a bunch of players. You followed this up with some untimely and annoyingly partisan posts, and then nothing for several days.
Let me state this again: this wasn't just mistakes - this was being annoyingly careless. The same difference between "oops, I dropped the ball" and "oops, I've just dropped the grenade I was playing with after removing safeties."
The first is just a mistake; the second is a series of bad judgement calls.

I choose to believe that being so close to deployment of Rubicon you were too busy to devote the necessary attention. But to be honest, if you're going to hold events with this amount of thought and effort, I'm quite convinced you'd be better off without bothering at all.

"The force led by the Gallente and Minmatar jumped into Syndicate and the target system was announced – 8V-SJJ. They reached their target and began fighting the Vindicators of the Serpentis Corporation"

Most people didnt get to 8V-SJJ before it was over.

You answered a lot of great questions about live events, but continue not to address one that's pressing for a huge chunk of your players - are you ever going to have events that are accessible to USTZ players, or have you simply written us off?

Dev-Blog V1.0 in this Case with apology put in for approval..... Denied!

Need to write Dev-Blog V2.0 in this Case without apology for approval.... Approved!



Looks clear....

Thanks for the blog.

Still, don't really like the twitter solution, not because it was on twitter or anything, but because you didn't really wait for people in Ihal who were traveling from Sarum Prime.

Agree with people about more experienced FCs being involved like from Agony, Rooks, Uni. etc, if you can convince them to run this fleets of course.

I hope we all agree the causes for this was more complicated,and a simple we made x mistake sorry, would just not have worked here.

We are naturally reading this devblog in different ways, It certainly could have been clearer, but I can read into it a real intention to sort it out.
I respect you may not agree and want to get a clearer,more visible apology.

You may be right.

However, whilst the full implications and issues are addressed in the company, it could be considered by some to be a meaningless gesture.
We do not want marketing gestures, we want to see a real desire to learn from this.

They are asking for time to do this, and our help to find ways to make things better.
Is this not fair?

They have admitted they made mistakes and are sorry and want to make things better , is that not an apology?

They have assured us that all players are welcome, are we not glad?

And they say they are ensuring that all players will be treated fairly without bias, are we not relieved?

We can now see if their actions going forward are worthy of the trust they ask us to place in their hands.

If they prove worthy of that trust that will be better than any words they can ever say.

I do not really have a dog in this fight. While initially interested. I quickly changed my mind when i heard about the Highsec-Nullsec setup as i could not envision it ending well and i was right. Yay.

That being said this devblog is a rather tepid whitewash. A near total lack of remorse and rather unconvincing excuses.

Anyone who have played EvE for a little while should understand that slowly feeding a bunch of uncoordinated highsec dwellers into a experienced nullsec gatecamp will end in a massacre. That this was in someway missed is......Unbelievable. At the very least it requires a degree of Incompetence indistinguishable from Malice.

The worst part of this is that this only serve to reinforce the impressions of some highsec dwellers that as long as you don't run around in nullsec CCP don't give a damn about you and will actively antagonize you for the amusement of the Nullsec alliances.
And even among those that have not reached this level of disillusionment, there probably is a large percentage that have learned that it is better to stay away from nullsec and events altogether.

Now, a prompt and convincing explanation could help a lot. A frank and forthright explanation of the ups and downs, of why, what and when the Event failed and succeeded would be able to alleviate a lot of peoples aggravation.

But getting almost textbook marketing speak nearly a week after it happened? That is just poor form.

"Military experts have been scouring wormhole reports throughout the region and have discovered a connection from System-X to System-Y, and that convenient occurrence has driven the timing of this operation."

Done, thematic fittingness.

Actually, I don't. The cause here was carelessness - they blatantly underestimated the effort and care needed to hold such an event. I don't see anything complicated.



You're reading quite a lot that isn't there. I haven't seen a plea for help or time - what I've seen is that they realized we've put more thought in this event than they did - since they actually borrowed the ideas we put forward in the threadnought (passing them for their own, but that's irrelevant).



Have they? You've believed every single word at face value, without any critical sense? I'll push your own words back at you: judge someone by their actions.

I still think CCP is quite good at working WITH their customers to make a great community. Yet CCP has to learn, and learn fast, that working with us does not mean they are like us - the need for neutrality, competence, and reliability are paramount to avoid issues - T20, golden bullet and somer come to mind, and they don't go away.
When I joined eve in 2010 I was warned by people I usually game with of the T20 scandal. They haven't ever played eve, and they told me they did not want to try, despite being Scifi fen like me - those stains you do not get rid of easily.
And they hurt.

The way you turned from a flaming revolution leader, calling for the masses to quit, into an appeaser of the worst sort I find both astonishing and distasteful. Maybe some moderation would've been best - both in your call to arms and in the sanctification of CCP now.

I'm sure people have put there two cents in, but I don't believe that anybody has expressed that CCP is missing out on golden opportunities to market there product.

These live events are ingame events, but should also include the outside world.

Essentially, the developers/pilots/GM's, who are flying the admiral fleets, enemy fleets, etc, should all be streaming to the public what they are doing (aka broadcas the ingame GM/CCP run events to the world).

You have a ingame event where you are leading a group to a location, heck might as well stream it also. You get the perspective of the "leaders" or the event characters.

By doing that, you also get greater feedback (as in first hand Video of what went right and what went wrong), via your own streams, the streams of others, as well as feedback regarding the interaction of the event characters with the rest of the community.

This is a golden opportunity for free advertising, which is being missed and instead replaced with videos' of Developers in costumes (which are awesome in itself, but people want the ingame footage, live as its happening).

Now I'm not saying "the developers should be streaming everything they do". I'm saying when you are having these largish organized events where you are putting ingame office assets (Your using your employees/volunteers to create a ingame event), that you stream that. I'll explain it a bit.

You have a staging system, a rally point, and a destination. You have a stream going from the perspective of the GM/Head Pilot running the main ship (you see what they see). Where they go, the stream goes following there view. You have a 2nd camera at the destination location showing whats going on, and why you are going there. You can even do a countdown if you like. You show the story, bring in the community, and make the event even more interesting. In addition, if you do events this way, you can actually vary the timezones, start points, announcement times, etc. You sell your game by showing what it does at the developer's standpoint, which makes more sense especially when its in the middle of an actual developer run event. In total, you would have potentially had several streaming channels going at once.

There were 4 empire players, a stream for each one of those people.

You had two enemy locations, a stream for each enemy location (heck you could even call it a spycam to show whats going on, but not reveal the location till the empire players were in position). You show whats going on, but don't reveal the destination till your ready "aka spying". That can be as simple as a dummy camera (aka jita cam) at the destination locations. You would have shown intelligence that the pirates were working on some station locations, etc.

Its pretty much an odd simple thing, that would have caused people to open up 4 to 6 browser windows to watch what was going on at each part. Total outside immersion.

Do you need a mega stream setup to show every ounce and tidbit, no. Keep it simple, but show the story. You can even keep it and refer to streams/videos' like this for later use.

The story gets told, you get the outside community to interact, and generally people are happier.

Yes intel gets split all over the place, but you get the story told, you get pretty much free advertising, and you expand the playerbase.