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The Office of the Chairman: A ~chill place~ for constituent issues

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#641 - 2012-02-10 13:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Imryn Xaran wrote:
whilst at the same time telling your alliance that they will be kicked for reporting a fellow alliance member for botting.


you've been told why like 20 times

you just want to hear it from the mittani so you can quote him out of context everywhere because that's what you do

hell, even if he did give you an answer it wouldn't be the one you wanted to hear so you'd just keep posting nonsense all over the thread

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#642 - 2012-02-10 14:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Imryn Xaran
Osabojo wrote:
It's not unusual for gaming organizations to have policies against their members reporting each other for suspected rules violations instead of going through the organization's leadership. Recently I read the 30plus.org charter (I'm old, lol) and it specifically states members must not make public accusations of cheating.

I guess someone could take that as support of cheating, but most people would probably see that as a rule against stupid drama. Of course, if you thrive on stupid drama then you'll probably find such a rule infuriating and launch into some kind of tirade about it on an internet forum.


I completely understand that. If the Mittani was to publicly state that his alliance has an internal procedure for dealing with accusations of botting I would be happy with that. Also, if he said that he would not disclose details of that procedure I would accept that.

He hasn’t said that though, he has just refused to answer, which makes it look like he does have a contradictory position on this issue and he does operate a policy within his alliance that effectively protects players who run bots.

Richard Desturned wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:
whilst at the same time telling your alliance that they will be kicked for reporting a fellow alliance member for botting.


you've been told why like 20 times

you just want to hear it from the mittani so you can quote him out of context everywhere because that's what you do


Yes, I want to hear it from the Mittani. As for quoting it out of context – I’ve never done it before so why would I start now? I have made maybe 50 posts on these forums total (a significant percentage of those 50 in this thread) and this is the only character I have ever posted on. I read the forums for entertainment and news; I occasionally post a comment or opinion. I don’t troll (not intentionally anyway), I don’t take part in any “meta gaming” activities. My motives for asking him this question are entirely straight forward – I would like him to clarify his position.

I am an entirely unremarkable casual EVE player, who has seen the sort of mess that can occur when a game developer doesn’t listen to feedback, and I have seen the good work the CSM can do to help the EVE players. I give the Mittani his share of the credit for the good work he and the other CSM members have done for us during their term, and I fully expect him to be elected for another term.

That said, just because he has done a good job does not mean he is above scrutiny. Many have accused him of having an agenda that promotes the interests of his alliance over the best interests of the game. From my position in the game I don’t really see that, so I don’t have an opinion one way or the other. I do see a problem with bots in the game. I am not sure that the measures that CCP have taken are sufficient to eliminate bots, and agree with many others who have said that the best way to eliminate bots is to re-vamp the activities that are susceptible to botting such as mining, ratting and missioning.

I do believe that if progress is to be made against bots and RMT CCP will require the full support of the playerbase and especially the full support of the CSM. This issue, for me, will be a factor in where I decide to cast my votes, and at the moment I am unsure where the Mittani stands, so can you please clarify your position for me
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#643 - 2012-02-10 14:25:15 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512342#post512342

mystery solved move on to your next "casual" peeve that you will "casually" go on about for pages in another thread

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#644 - 2012-02-10 14:30:47 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512342#post512342

mystery solved move on to your next "casual" peeve that you will "casually" go on about for pages in another thread


If you think that comes anywhere close to answering my question then you need to re take that infants school level reading comprehension course that you evidently failed.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#645 - 2012-02-10 14:58:50 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512342#post512342

mystery solved move on to your next "casual" peeve that you will "casually" go on about for pages in another thread


If you think that comes anywhere close to answering my question then you need to re take that infants school level reading comprehension course that you evidently failed.


please tell me more about reading comprehension, mister "i cannot understand that the mittani is not going to answer my question"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#646 - 2012-02-10 15:37:37 UTC
this isn't a candidacy thread btw, it's for Q&As, but thanks for all the free likes ^_^

~hi~
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#647 - 2012-02-10 15:42:09 UTC
Osabojo wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Osabojo wrote:
But hey, since botting seems to be the topic of the day, let's ask The Mittani about botting. The Mittani, what would you say is the root cause of botting?


Mindlessly repetitive PvE gameplay and tasks which automaton excel at because they require no thought or creativity.

Eve is a terrible game.


Exactly. And these are also very profitable activities. So we can either expect players, especially alliance leaders, to express some kind of moral outrage about botting and go on crusades against it, and criticize them if they seem inconsistent with that, or we can expect CCP to make botting more difficult and (more importantly) less desirable.

Making isk should be fun. This is a game. When tedium is profitable, it invites botting, and that's CCP's problem to solve.

I have to wonder if there's some kind of twisted work ethic at play here, that says you should have to suffer through tedious labor to enjoy the game that you've paid for.


Bots pay subscriptions or consume PLEX, which is the same thing. Why would CCP want to ban these sources of income? From what I've learned from the bot hunters that I've spoken to CCP only ban the bots that they receive complaints about, and even then it's temp bans on a three strikes system. Bot hunters have no incentive to report bots because then they'd get less killmails and less loot.

Also I agree, I can't stand trying to earn money in this game via conventional means. I pay for PLEX because I get better isk/h reading forums at work than I do shooting red crosses in Eve, and it's safer. Also I get paid by alliance mates to make forum signatures for them.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#648 - 2012-02-10 15:42:46 UTC
Sullivar N wrote:
Dear Mittani:

I'm having somewhat conflicting feelings at this point. I've worked my way up to the KV, gotten the derp gun, can penetrate the better tanks, yet I don't feel like I've ~arrived~; I'm still trying to grind my way up to the KV-3 and through other trees. This wasn't supposed to happen! I want to have fun with the KV! Any tips on how to play well with it and to enjoy the experience to boot?

So far my "strategy" has been to snuggle up against the higher-teir heavy tanks and use them as protection, ducking out to fire, and generally just react to what they do. This generally ends up for worse than for the better, since if they do stupid things my choices are to follow and be useless too or to go out on my own and still be generally ineffective/die. Am I playing too passively? Is this just an indication of a lack of skill on my part?


The KV suffered heavily from the recent HE nerf. The Derp gun still works, but it's not the death machine it once was. The real question is if you're in the wrong tree; you may prefer more accurate and mobile sniping platforms to a slow brick house like the KV. Since you're only tier 5, it might be worthwhile to hop over to the German armor side and see if you like the Pz4. I personally went mostly RUS armor - KV-3 is a whole different world than the KV - but I enjoyed the German stuff more in the end.

Also, get the 107mm on the KV if you haven't already, it's superior in the post-HE-nerf environment. You can also snipe with it and thus don't need to get in the faces of higher tier tanks.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#649 - 2012-02-10 15:47:22 UTC
Sofia Wolf wrote:
What is your position on following issues of high sec warfare:

A) Neutral orcas in high sec wars
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Neutral_orcas_in_high_sec_wars_%28CSM%29

B) Neutral remote repers not getting aggression timer when remote repairing targets engaged in combat making them near invulnerable when positioned near stations.

Do you think those are problems CCP should address? If yes what changes to mechanic would you advocate and what level of priority would you put on those changes?


I use a neutral orca to tote my Brutixes around when I go on a hisec ganking spree, I think they're grand. The Orca was a huge boost to peaceful activity in hisec; it is only fair that it also be a vehicle of grief in the right hands.

I think neutral remote repping should make you target-able, however. 'healing a bad guy' is engaging in actual combat, where 'carting a bad guy's stack of Brutixes around through space' isn't.

I suspect the neutral remote rep issue will be addressed in the upcoming war mechanic revamp, and we discussed a simplification of it at the December summit.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#650 - 2012-02-10 15:48:57 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Ignoring your bad/pointless distinction, his suggestion is still horrible.


Your opinion is meaningless, Cearain; fwiw I don't read your walls of text.

~hi~
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#651 - 2012-02-10 15:52:43 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512342#post512342

mystery solved move on to your next "casual" peeve that you will "casually" go on about for pages in another thread


If you think that comes anywhere close to answering my question then you need to re take that infants school level reading comprehension course that you evidently failed.


please tell me more about reading comprehension, mister "i cannot understand that the mittani is not going to answer my question"


No, I am getting that vibe loud and clear. The fact that he won't answer my question is an answer in itself though so I will keep on going and hopefully anyone who browses this thread will pick up on that.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#652 - 2012-02-10 15:54:03 UTC
Zordon wrote:
Sir Mitten's

About the nullsec miner, for us that 'wish' to support large construction methods, would you toss around the idea of Random-roids in the grav site?

To explain this, the small grav site has a ginormous Spodumain rock that the site is anchored around... It's roughly 4 mil m3 in size or 250,000 units. Even if this rock would shift as the site respawns with different ores, totaling in the same (average) value based on the market. (IE with 16 base types of ore, shift based off how common in new-eden they are)

This would have a minimal effect on the actual isk value of the site, but lead to self-sustainability for 0.0 alliances with a strong industrial side. And also lead to a change in need for the mineral compression from high-sec. The compressions would still be needed because building a titan still needs loads of minerals and I know nobody that would mine that in an efficient manner.

I know this is a fail post, and definatly troll worthy, but I hope it comes across as understandable and you could possibly lay out an answer.

Zordon
Monkey 4 Life


This is pretty weird, because I haven't mined since 2006, but I actually know about 'the spod'. 0.0 mining in general needs a huge reworking, the first step of which is removing alloy drops from drone rats. After that, nitty-gritty tweaks to grav site compositions are somewhat beyond my capacity, though the usual ideas - superveld, etc - have been tossed around. Making mining in null worthwhile once more is a high priority for the CSM, however, as most of us miss blowing up mining barges, and in order to find exhumers to kill you have to make the sites profitable enough to make it worth mining in the first place.

~hi~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#653 - 2012-02-10 15:56:10 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:

No, I am getting that vibe loud and clear. The fact that he won't answer my question is an answer in itself though so I will keep on going and hopefully anyone who browses this thread will pick up on that.


this isn't 'mr xaran goes to washington' where you're the star and fighting against corruption and making a noble stand for principles, you're just a sad badposter wailing and flailing on something asked and answered previously

hint: get a goon or someone not cerain itt to ask the question and i'll be delighted to answer it~

~hi~
None ofthe Above
#654 - 2012-02-10 16:06:13 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:

No, I am getting that vibe loud and clear. The fact that he won't answer my question is an answer in itself though so I will keep on going and hopefully anyone who browses this thread will pick up on that.


this isn't 'mr xaran goes to washington' where you're the star and fighting against corruption and making a noble stand for principles, you're just a sad badposter wailing and flailing on something asked and answered previously

hint: get a goon or someone not cerain itt to ask the question and i'll be delighted to answer it~
The Office of the Chairman: A Threat to Constituent Issues


So your answer Mr. Xaran is: yes, he's as bad as you think he is, and probably worse.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#655 - 2012-02-10 16:08:00 UTC
I'm delighted to have hysterical roleplayers flailing at me impotently on the forums. If someone like Xaran didn't exist, I'd have to invent him - the essence of politics is the distinction between friend and enemy, after all.

~hi~
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#656 - 2012-02-10 16:10:54 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:

No, I am getting that vibe loud and clear. The fact that he won't answer my question is an answer in itself though so I will keep on going and hopefully anyone who browses this thread will pick up on that.


this isn't 'mr xaran goes to washington' where you're the star and fighting against corruption and making a noble stand for principles, you're just a sad badposter wailing and flailing on something asked and answered previously

hint: get a goon or someone not cerain itt to ask the question and i'll be delighted to answer it~

Could you please release your long-form birth certificate?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#657 - 2012-02-10 16:16:04 UTC
there are allegations that you were actually born in a russian coder's computer and therefore are a Manchurianbot candidate
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#658 - 2012-02-10 16:33:15 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I think neutral remote repping should make you target-able, however. 'healing a bad guy' is engaging in actual combat, where 'carting a bad guy's stack of Brutixes around through space' isn't.

FYI, you can already shoot neutral RR alts once they rep your target; the problem is that they don't inherit the target's aggression timer, so if you switch damage onto them, they can instantly dock up or jump through the gate. The argument (such as it is) is about whether neutral alts should inherit aggression timers and how it should be handled if they were to do so.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#659 - 2012-02-10 16:37:13 UTC
Tsubutai wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I think neutral remote repping should make you target-able, however. 'healing a bad guy' is engaging in actual combat, where 'carting a bad guy's stack of Brutixes around through space' isn't.

FYI, you can already shoot neutral RR alts once they rep your target; the problem is that they don't inherit the target's aggression timer, so if you switch damage onto them, they can instantly dock up or jump through the gate. The argument (such as it is) is about whether neutral alts should inherit aggression timers and how it should be handled if they were to do so.


Probably, but most of my hisec griefing experience is of the ganking, rather than the wardec variety. I had an alt in the 0rphanage for a while, I'd probably just evemail Pit Boss should it come up. My initial gut feeling is that they should inherit the aggression timer as well, because station games are gay.

~hi~
Neotin Nahrain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#660 - 2012-02-10 16:38:40 UTC
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