Jita Park Speakers Corner

The goosn position on this is: It is not their job to find botters and report them that is the work of the GMs. You cannot prove that anyone you suspect is really a botter.

At the same time they have a kind of code "Don't **** a fellow goon" which reaches in all areas. no blue shooting, no detsroying of assets no stealing etc. And yes no "reporting" of any kind because they cannot proof it anyway and might just bring alot of unjustified attention ot a fellow member that might just have been very diligent.

So instead of going into witch hunts, reporting everyone and their mom for suspected botting they just leave it to the GMs to find perpetrators. That has nothing to do with double standards.

I mean: How would YOU as a player PROVE that someone is using a Macro? You can't, there are only indicators but never proof. So its just "When in doubt, innocent!".

Example: If a friend of yours eats alot of chocolate bars but you have never seen him buy one. YOu may suspect he STEALS chocolate bars but would you report him to the police because you COULD come to the conclusion? (If yes I don't want to be a friend of yours ;))

The situation is a bit more fluid these days. After the Jita Riots/Emergency summit, the CSM has much more influence than it did previously, as CCP's management appears to have stopped drinking koolaid. But then, influence is by nature fluid.

I still think that 'pet issue' candidates are a waste of time, and it's better to focus on effective advocates for constituencies. IE, a solid WH guy, a solid FW guy, a solid lowsec guy, etc. The primary purpose of the modern, post-CSM6 is an advocacy group, happy to try to work with CCP towards common goals, but alert and prepared to fight against virtual pants or anomaly nerf blogs.

Thank you for responding on behalf of the candidate – it is a pity he doesn’t want to answer the question directly but it is understandable.

He says “If you find a bot, click 'report bot”, but you say “Don't **** a fellow goon". These are entirely contradictory positions to take.

Again I ask Mittani to clarify his position on this important issue. Does he support CCP in their efforts to eliminate RMT and botting or is he the pro RMT and botting candidate that advocates not reporting suspected bots?

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Would you mind sharing with the voter community who exactly suggested this? You have already stated it wasn't you. I'm hoping you can either clarify this, or if you don't feel comfortable outing the person who proposed this initially, I'm hoping the CSM6 member who did has the integrity to step forth and take responsibility.

Thank you, much appreciated!

And still no answer.

Question: How do you justify your contradictory position on reporting bots? You encourage the general EVE playerbase to use the report a bot feature, but kick your own corp members if they report one of their own. Please explain, or can we just assume that goonies are special little snowflakes who are allowed to ignore the rules?

Edit: No it hasn't been discussed in this thread previously, so please answer the question.

Goonswarm has no special media coverage on the eve-o forums; in fact, we mostly ignore these forums as they're a cesspool and largely irrelevant to the election process.

You're making a democracy+ argument; democracy is voting ~plus~ x, y and z. Any candidate can make an organization to back them, as long as they have the leadership talent and skill. 90% of CSM candidates are typical EVE spergs, however, and assume that with a spreadsheet and a few long-winded posts they should sail to victory, and when they don't sail to victory it's a failure on the part of the process, rather than a failure to organize.

Hi, I've been a director in Goonfleet since January 2006 and have helped build GSF up from nothing in S-U8A4 - despite the entire game banding together to try to kill us and drive us out for ~daring~ to play Eve Online and not be a part of their old guard club - to being somewhat successful in nullsec.

I helped build my organization, as did the rest of our people. It took work and overcoming more opposition than anyone has seen in this game; we had to win the Great War, with the help of our allies, to even survive.

~so sorry~ if I don't give a **** about your 'a bloo bloo bloo goons have a powerful organization' whines. We built it, because you all tried to destroy us. When you kick puppies, sometimes those puppies grow up to become wolves, and then they vote with discipline and purpose and take over the CSM.

Yeah, I knew I should have written "existing, non-CSM-related organization". It seems you think having to build a goon size alliance is now a perfectly acceptable requirement for equal CSM election participation.

BTW I love how your respectful composure is lost when someone does not conform to your opinion or shuts up within 3 posts of discussion, and start calling them whiners, stupid or other degoratory terms. Chairman material. I wish you acted the same in your discussions with the CSM and CCP.

How the hell can mittens tell if one of his members reported another member for botting or not? I'm just a pubbie, but I *HIGHLY* doubt that mittens has some sort of anti-bot-reporting counter intelligence system set up to weed out members who report bots to CCP. That's just plain silly. The fact of the matter is that if a goon wanted to report another goon for botting, there is nothing that mittens can do to stop it.

Now, I wouldn't actually put it past mittens to have actually be opposed to goons reporting other goons. But I wouldn't put it past him to be the other way around either. We are just a couple of pubbies and the only thing we can see out here is a bunch of hot gas being spouted between two sides of an argument.

If you think that he is a bot loving RMTer, then don't vote for him - simple as that. If you hate that he is a self-admitted sadistic bastard, then don't vote for him.

As for me, I may yet vote for him - I begrudgingly admit that the CSM has been surprisingly competent and effective under his leadership. I highly doubt that he has some sort of hidden tin-foil-hattery agenda to revive some sort of age-old plot to destroy EVE. He has had PLENTY of chances to allow CCP to do just that this past year.

It would doubtless be a lot harder than nodding and saying "oh yes, titans are perfectly balanced" and "we love walking in stations."

Might have to try something like "funnel some dev time into Dust, the trickle down effects will definitely be worth it".