Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If salvaging someone else's wrecks makes u go Suspect i have no problem with it

Silly trolls...

I like the idea, for one, ninja salvagers and newbie salvagers can then go find those mission wrecks in high sec that people left behind. I know I generally don't salvage unless I have someone with me doing it for me who gets a cut of the loot.
Having the ability to go into space and find those left behind wrecks by others would make a great profession for some people.
Taking the loot would still make them suspect unless it's abandoned ofc, but hey, no risk, no reward.

It's been a longstanding request to finalise the whole salvaging mini-profession. Apparently, there's some nasty combination of technical restraints and causing huge database loads that keeps it from happening.

One would think that, when a wreck is spawned, it could also create a “wreck beacon” on that very grid, and any additional wreck creations then add to the signal strength of that beacon.

This is an excellent idea.

Iam not trolling. I do like it and think you should be able to scan down wrecks. but also that stealing the wreck as that is what your doing by salvageing someone else's wreck it sould be treated the same as can fliping or taking loot from wrecks....

Suspect flag fo it and its all good i will do it my self lolz

See this is where we disagree that person has worked and risked their ship to create that wreck. so what ur saying is along the lines of that miner ore in his hold is just a natural resource so i should be able to take that ore from his cargo hold. does not matter that he has spent the time mining it.

Carebears detected...

Salvage is salvage, not loot. +1 for request.

The difference is Concord doesn't care about the wreck itself, only the contents as that's where the real value is going to be. The wrecks themselves are just debris floating through space endangering ships and stations, so anyone willing to suck them up is welcome to do so in Concord's view.

When you salvage a wreck containing unlooted goods, the contents are transfered to a newly spawned can, which has the same owner as the original wreck.

year iam defo a carebear lol at -8.1 carebear alert

The difference is that CCP agrees with me, and that the entire mechanic has been designed to work the way I describe it.
The person who created the wreck is already being rewarded for his work — the salvage is not part of that reward. Instead, it's the reward for a completely separate profession (salvaging) which offers its own set of effort and reward.

No. That is not even close to what I'm saying. You're confusing wreck and salvage, and ore and asteroid.

The ore has already been extracted — the effort required to claim ownership has been expended. It now sits in its owner's cargo hold and you are not allowed to steal it. In fact, you can't steal it without blowing him up, which is usually an illegal act all on its own.

It works exactly the same for salvage: it has already been extracted — the effort required to claim ownership has been expanded. The only way to steal salvage is to blow up the owner and take it from his cargo hold.

We're talking about the wreck here — not the salvage. The wreck is not yours any more than the asteroid is yours. If you want to own the salvage or ore, you have to spend the time and effort to make it yours by mining the asteroid or salvaging the wreck. The results of that work — the ore and salvage, respectively — is yours. So you can't steal wrecks for the same reason as you can't steal asteroids: because no-one owns them. You can steal salvage just like you can steal ore, but that's an entirely different mechanism (or two or three of them) that has squat to do with the extraction process itself.

So requiring special equipment and a completely new target for scanning, and expanding the profession to actually search for what you're after somehow counts as “auto terrible hand holding”?
That doesn't make much sense…