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Lance Stratos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-11-15 19:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lance Stratos
Kate stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:


Even Skiffs have a big enough hold to cycle the jet can timer. This only really affects hulks, and just reinforces the notion that they are now crap.


Hulks are very far from crap, if used as fleet miners, which is what they are.


still crap. all the hassle isn't worth the minimal yield bonus.


http://i.imgur.com/Z81pY07.jpg

anyways, math time.

Hulks are a 15% bonus over Mackinaws. But this is a minor bonus due to the low income of mining anyways.

051.0% Venture ---- 8.5 m3/s (4.26 x2 Miner II)
100.0% : Procurer -16.7 m3/s
104.7% : Skiff ------- 17.5 m3/s
105.0% : Vexor ------17.55 m3/s (2.15 x5 Drones | 6.8 x4 Miner II)
106.0% : Rokh ------17.68 m3/s (2.21 x8)
109.0% : Retriever -18.22 m3/s (9.11 x2)
114.5% : Mackinaw 19.12 m3/s (9.56 x2)
120.0% : Covetor --- 20.04 m3/s (6.68 x3)
121.2% : Gnosis --- 20.25 m3/s (2.03 x5 Drones | 2.02 x5 Miner II)
128.4% : Carrier: --- 21.45 m3/s (1.43 x15 Drones)
132.4% : Hulk ------- 22.11 m3/s (7.37 x3)

Base T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +48.5%
Orca + T2 boost (No mindlink): +55.1%
Base T2 Boost (Mindlink): +59.9%
Orca + T2 boost (Mindlink): +70%
Rorqual + T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +73.7%
Rorqual + T2 Boost (Mindlink): +98.8%

Oh and for a nice note, currently Hedbergite is the most expensive ore at the current moment making 235 isk per m3.

seconds in an hour:
60*60=3600

isk per m3/s
3600*235=846,000

Mackinaw
846,000 * 19.12 = 16,175,520 isk/hour
Hulk
846,000 * 22.11 = 18,705,060 isk/hour
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#22 - 2013-11-15 20:15:00 UTC
Lance Stratos wrote:

Oh and for a nice note, currently Hedbergite is the most expensive ore at the current moment making 235 isk per m3.


MFW you can find large hedbergite anomalies in hisec. Shocked

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Lance Stratos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-11-15 20:19:54 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Lance Stratos wrote:

Oh and for a nice note, currently Hedbergite is the most expensive ore at the current moment making 235 isk per m3.


MFW you can find large hedbergite anomalies in hisec. Shocked


just an example, Kernite is 182.5 (77% of hed)
Kate stark
#24 - 2013-11-16 08:11:08 UTC
Lance Stratos wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:


Even Skiffs have a big enough hold to cycle the jet can timer. This only really affects hulks, and just reinforces the notion that they are now crap.


Hulks are very far from crap, if used as fleet miners, which is what they are.


still crap. all the hassle isn't worth the minimal yield bonus.


http://i.imgur.com/Z81pY07.jpg

anyways, math time.

Hulks are a 15% bonus over Mackinaws. But this is a minor bonus due to the low income of mining anyways.

051.0% Venture ---- 8.5 m3/s (4.26 x2 Miner II)
100.0% : Procurer -16.7 m3/s
104.7% : Skiff ------- 17.5 m3/s
105.0% : Vexor ------17.55 m3/s (2.15 x5 Drones | 6.8 x4 Miner II)
106.0% : Rokh ------17.68 m3/s (2.21 x8)
109.0% : Retriever -18.22 m3/s (9.11 x2)
114.5% : Mackinaw 19.12 m3/s (9.56 x2)
120.0% : Covetor --- 20.04 m3/s (6.68 x3)
121.2% : Gnosis --- 20.25 m3/s (2.03 x5 Drones | 2.02 x5 Miner II)
128.4% : Carrier: --- 21.45 m3/s (1.43 x15 Drones)
132.4% : Hulk ------- 22.11 m3/s (7.37 x3)

Base T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +48.5%
Orca + T2 boost (No mindlink): +55.1%
Base T2 Boost (Mindlink): +59.9%
Orca + T2 boost (Mindlink): +70%
Rorqual + T2 Boost (No Mindlink): +73.7%
Rorqual + T2 Boost (Mindlink): +98.8%

Oh and for a nice note, currently Hedbergite is the most expensive ore at the current moment making 235 isk per m3.

seconds in an hour:
60*60=3600

isk per m3/s
3600*235=846,000

Mackinaw
846,000 * 19.12 = 16,175,520 isk/hour
Hulk
846,000 * 22.11 = 18,705,060 isk/hour


2.5m/hour is not worth all of the hassle. as i said. minimal yield bonus for a lot more hassle.

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Jeb Vacano
Sovereignty Express
#25 - 2013-12-17 20:54:49 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
[quote=Lance Stratos][quote=Kate stark][quote=Lors Dornick][quote=Dorian Wylde]

minimal yield bonus for a lot more hassle.



What hassle? It flys more or less the same, uses the same skills, and has better fitting stats.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2013-12-17 23:32:31 UTC
Lilith Shea wrote:
What I'm more curious about is with the tractoring... they can pull off the same wreck/can

Example, Me mining, I drop a can and abandon, gets tractored in, gets withing range of a second tractor, gets tractored into that one, repeat until you reach a POS.

I know it would involve millions of tractors but I just want to know if the theory is possible :)
Imagine making a protective sphere of orbiting cans to protect me from getting bumped while mining :-p

Two MTUs will tractor a can back and forth. I do not know any way to get a sting of them to pull the can one after another. It could end up just going back and forth between two, or random walking about.

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Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-12-18 03:07:46 UTC
I use the Mobile tractor unit for mining all the time because I have no friends where I mine. :-)

It will indeed tractor in any jet can empty or not.

I normally drop a can from my Mack at around 24,000 then let the unit scoop it up. I then fill a Mack and jet can that. It won't scoop it in because it's too big but it will tractor it to the unit. I then fill another Mack load the I warp to station with a full Mack, warp back to site with a Miasmos and grab the ore into ore hold then any loot and the other jet can. Without boosts it's about 1.5 hours to do this.

It will work just as well with an Orca only slower than if the Orca had a tractor fitted. It doesn't seem to take too long to tractor but certainly more noticeable than with a proper tractor fitted.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#28 - 2013-12-18 09:26:44 UTC
Really should change this thread title name to "mining in highsec in rubicon" As the strats for mining for highsec are very very different than the ones for mining in nullsec since rubicon patch.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#29 - 2013-12-18 12:58:41 UTC
Lance Stratos wrote:

100.0% : Procurer -16.7 m3/s

121.2% : Gnosis --- 20.25 m3/s (2.03 x5 Drones | 2.02 x5 Miner II)
128.4% : Carrier: --- 21.45 m3/s (1.43 x15 Drones)
132.4% : Hulk ------- 22.11 m3/s (7.37 x3)


Mining barge can also use drones. So should it be 16.7 m3/s + 1.43 x 4 Drones for Procurer ? 1 drone for defense...

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