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Mad Ani live EVE stream petition

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Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#281 - 2013-11-15 11:52:37 UTC
Turelus wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Mad Ani wrote:

slanderous


Libellous, actually.

Also chiming in on the music use issue. How would you like it if I cross streamed your stream with different music and patched over all your ads with my own?

Could you? I would love the stream with no one talking and some nice classical music. Big smile


Something lonely like some of Chopin's work, or very dramatic like Rachmaninov would work so well for an eve stream. Not only that, it would be legal too if the performances were chosen properly. pieces like Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring would be amazing for streaming over a big battle.

Sadly, my PC's maxed out most of the time doing other (work) things, and I only made the comment as a "how would you like it if someone started stealing from you" statement. but someone should take it as an idea (obviously stream your own stream, don't steal!).
Dettol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#282 - 2013-11-15 12:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dettol
I think there is a real benefit to both players and those outside the community for the sort of coverage that Mad_Ani has introduced to Eve. The N3 v BL Titam Doomsday stream...fantastic.

CCP Bro - why not hire Mad_ani and legitamise the "coverage" with appropriate licenses etc

http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani/c/3200098
Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#283 - 2013-11-15 13:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaerael Endiel
Dettol wrote:
I think there is a real benefit to both players and those outside the community for the sort of coverage that Mad_Ani has introduced to Eve. The N3 v BL Titam Doomsday stream...fantastic.

CCP Bro - why not hire Mad_ani and legitamise the "coverage" with appropriate licenses etc

http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani/c/3200098


Because it's literally a waste of money. I'd rather they hired someone to add content rather than a stream that around 0.5% (do the maths!) of the community actually watches regularly.

This isn't a job. If anything, this is job avoidance.

[edit]

I'll give you another figure, and this is the most generous of all.

If you take the number of hits the channel has had since it's birth, divide that down to views a day and assume (incorrectly) that the number equals the total number of daily INDIVIDUAL hits, you get 8407 hits a day.

Sounds good, right?

That's 1.6% of the total estimated current subscribed accounts. For being the "Most popular eve stream", it's really not very popular. Maybe people don't really want to watch Eve streams in the first place?

I'm still available to work at CCP as CCP_Commonsense. My job description will include vetting out bad ideas, both financial and political.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#284 - 2013-11-15 14:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Mad Ani wrote:
Unlicensed music? Heard of Spotify and YouTube?

They're both licensed and pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year in royalties. You can listen to them for your own use, but that's it.

It's not OK to (re)broadcast music and pay no-one for it. How can you not comprehend basic facts like this.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#285 - 2013-11-15 14:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Quote:
Snapping and screaming at people asking questions? Blatantly people running out of excuses to troll with


Which reads as "Dozens of people independently stated the self-same complaints about me and this is backed up by past broadcasts available on my stream but it's not trueeeeeeee I swears to you"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#286 - 2013-11-15 14:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Quote:
Why did I make this original post? Yes viewers asked me to do it since after I created this stream back in January. Publicity due to the fact I am no longer on call 24/7 to stream the events. EN24 even made an article about it. It got your attention didn't it?


So I stole this from a much better forum because it's so often true:

Stages of ****** pubbie posting:

1. Terrible Post

2. Backing up terrible post with even worse posts

3. Rolling with the punches

4. Puppetmaster (sometimes this comes before #3)

5. Pouty apology and disappearance


Seems you've edited in 2, 3 and 4 into the OP, which is a unique take. We're now firmly on ~~~no im a puppetmaster guys you dont even know lol~~

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#287 - 2013-11-15 15:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Mad Ani wrote:
Unlicensed music? Heard of Spotify and YouTube? Next...


Actually your'e hilariously wrong on that point. You do know that even if they're on those venues, you don't have any legal right to profit from the playing of the songs right? YouTube & Spotify have a license, which they've paid for, from those copyright holders to play the music, you do not. Just because its on there doesn't mean you are granted permission to play it for profit with impunity. YouTube even removes accounts that infringe on copyrighted material (i.e. music, tv shows, movies) without the proper license. It's why you have to show you have permission from the license owner when monetizing your YouTube videos. Twitch also requires this from their partners and users.

If you don't have a license to profit from that artists work, regardless if its on YouTube, Last.FM, Spotify, or anything it's unlicensed use of the copyrighted material. It's like me saying "well a TV show is on TV and I get my TV for free so therefore I can show the TV show on my stream and it's perfectly fine." It's not, and it's blatantly clear you don't know much about what you're talking about.

Since you use Twitch's service, and they're a US based company, they defer to the DMCA for their copyright issues. It's evident here - http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/735199-dmca-notifications-guidelines Per the DMCA do you have a physical or electronic signature granting you permission to use their work for profit? If not, it's unlicensed and not permitted usage of copyrighted music, which you've played on your stream and is in violation of that act. Your use of the music is unlicensed and you're making real money profit, which is a huge no-no and you seem to think you're immune from it because its on YouTube or whatever. It being on YouTube doesn't protect you.

Here's an example of how doing things without the proper license from the owners of the copyrighted material (in this example the lyrics, but in your case the music) nips you in the bud. http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2013/11/12/music-publishers-target-unlicensed-lyric-sites/

Also Twitch.TV has the following statement in their TOS

Quote:
7.3 Broadcaster Content Representations and Warranties.
You are solely responsible for your Broadcaster Content and the consequences of posting or publishing them. By uploading and publishing your Broadcaster Content, you affirm, represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents, releases and permissions to use and to authorize Twitch and Twitch’s Users to use your Broadcaster Content as necessary to exercise the licenses granted by you in this section and in the manner contemplated by Twitch and this Terms of Service; (2) your Broadcaster Content does not and will not: (a) infringe, violate, or misappropriate any third-party right, including any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, moral right, privacy right, right of publicity, or any other intellectual property or proprietary right (b) slander, defame, or libel any other person; (3) your Broadcaster Content does not contain any viruses, adware, spyware, worms, or other malicious code or (4) unless you have received prior written authorization, your Broadcaster Content specifically does not contain any prerelease or nonpublic beta software or game content or any confidential information of Twitch or third parties. Violators of these third-party rights may be subject to criminal and civil liability. Twitch reserves all rights and remedies against any Users who violate this Terms of Service.


You've agreed to Twitch's TOS & their deferral to the DMCA when you became a partner after begging people to help get you over the bare minimum. You should probably actually follow what you signed an agreement to if you want to actually profit from the stream or have CCP hire you to stream via that same service.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
maciej simm
BEEFCO.
#288 - 2013-11-15 16:20:28 UTC
+1 for ani
my main alt
BEEFCO.
#289 - 2013-11-15 16:22:02 UTC
I like ani's streams, +1 for making it official
uhnboy ghost
Corporation 98237776
#290 - 2013-11-15 16:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: uhnboy ghost
First! my English spelling sucks so I use Google translate...


my eve story:
the first time I heard about eve online was in late 2011, when I tried it for 2 weeks and never got into the game, because I thought it was too complicated.
but late in 2012 created this pilot, and learned to play by looking on youtube and lot of twich streams, to learn more about the game and how it works with fittings Majning pve, pve and exploring ect ect...

the first eve stream as I started following was sard caid, nice guy that is instructive and very open with what he fitt and why etc.

then I kept looking on virtually all stream just to learn about all the different parts of the game, although I am a cearbear that only pvp in fleets, its good to understand the game to know how it all affected
now i follow sirsqueebles, carka and what ever streamer is on that showing actual game content if it's pvp, pve or just station sales

my thoughts on Mad ani stream:

your / his stream provides no information to new or old players!! nothing about how the game is played or how things work in play.
the only thing that happens is a zoomed out view showing small dots and someone says "maybe someone died, yes someone died now .. I think"

if I would be a person who never played eve and random clicked on twitch and found the eve canal and entered the mad ani stream and saw a 2-3 colored pile of dots I would turn it off and never try eve

mad ani stream is for the ppl in the fights that he is showing and ONLY for them, that's only if you happen to be in a system next to the fight that it might be good to see that you should not undock

CCP should not hire mad ani or someone else's stream, as there is no one who does everything in eve and can stream it in an informative and fun way to attract new players to the game that we love, what we need is a mix of people who playing and streaming eve because they love it and not just to make money from it

//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#291 - 2013-11-15 16:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mad Ani wrote:
Unlicensed music? Heard of Spotify and YouTube? Next...

I'll take “How to disqualify yourself from any broadcasting position, ever” for $800, Alex. Lol
Xavruk
Evading Taxes S Corp.
#292 - 2013-11-15 16:43:35 UTC
Shouldn't this post be moved,or should it be locked cause the OP has not discussed any events or in game gatherings.

Tode Tuu
#293 - 2013-11-15 17:07:48 UTC
You really have to question the mind of the haters who.....

1) Went to Ani's in-game channel and Twitch stream to troll,
2) And now feel all butt-hurt that they were banned.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#294 - 2013-11-15 17:11:32 UTC
Twitch.TV chat is serious business guys!
Takeda Kashada
Bear Bones Brigade
#295 - 2013-11-15 17:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Tode Tuu wrote:
You really have to question the mind of the haters who.....

1) Went to Ani's in-game channel and Twitch stream to troll,
2) And now feel all butt-hurt that they were banned.



Tode Tuu, the whitest knight in the ani round table

The guy is afk streaming a desktop with music, he needs to get a grip and stop trying to leech ad revenue while providing no content.

Straight fact is, he's a beggar *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2013-11-15 17:33:45 UTC
Mad Ani wrote:
Unlicensed music? Heard of Spotify and YouTube? Next...

Well that proofs his knowledge and attitude.

I have watched this stream a couple of times however, Mad Ani constantly promotes himself and is only after subscribers. Annoying music and annoying gif's shown on the screen for what reason I don't know. Clearly you are not mature enough to run something like this as a full time job, it's screaming help me stay unemployed.

To even attempt to get a full time job at CCP for streaming.. is just ridiculous, if you are 20+ please be ashamed.

I disagree
Goose Master
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#297 - 2013-11-15 18:53:37 UTC
Wait, why should CCP hire a terrible whiny twitch streamer? And why would they hire one when terrible whiny twitch users will stream Eve for free?
Marwen DeGaulle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#298 - 2013-11-15 19:15:49 UTC
Mad Ani wrote:

Plexes go to subscribers because I can.



Attention
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#299 - 2013-11-15 19:16:57 UTC
Mad Ani wrote:
Thank you all for bumping this thread. Been awesome and done exactly as I hoped Cool

"you see, i did something idiotic to bait you into mocking me. dance, puppets"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Firefox4312 Yatolila
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#300 - 2013-11-15 19:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
In all seriousness now. Ani, you used to be a cool person before you got all "efamous" and it got to you head. Now you're just a douche that's trying to get CCP to hire him because you can "stream." I can go make the alts right now, and do exactly what you're doing, and stream it to twitch.

If I do that, and then basically make the same forum post, wouldn't CCP have to hire me like you want them to hire you? I mean, we're doing the exact same job, and at the exact same quality. But they won't, because you think you can get your white knighting "fan base" to help you make CCP hire you.

Oh, and by the way, read up on copyright laws as well as CCP rules about accounts.

Checklist:
1. You're a twitch partner. (check)
2. You run ads to make money. (Check)
3. You're using illegal music, from youtube or spotify, to make money when you don't have the licenses (check)
4. *Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal
5. You're using your ingame accounts to make money IRL (Streaming to twitch, asking for subs and running ads) which is against the CCP tos and can result in all your accounts being banned for good and you being unable to make a new account by CCP rules. (Check).


So let's recap this, one more time.
1. Using music from youtube isn't legal. Youtube and spotify, pandora if you live in the US, have licenses to play these songs and make a profit off of them, that they pay a huuuuge amount of money for.
2. You don't have those licenses and you're using them to make money off of, which is in violation of copyright law (even in the UK), and can result in a lawsuit against you as well as all your assets (bye bye new PC that you had fans buy for you).
3. *Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal

4. Using accounts to make money off of this game is prohibited, and thus, all your accounts should be banned and you should be not allowed to make more accounts.

Oh, and "I donated 2 months worth of profit to charity" mind giving us an exact number and not some arbitrary time? Because I can proudly say that I've donated personally approximately $15,000 USD to cancer research and Doctors Without Borders.