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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#41 - 2013-11-12 00:23:20 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
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Currently about 1/8 of the population are "1st generation Americans" (a.k.a. immigrants), and an additional 1/4 of the total is 2nd generation American (i.e. kids of immigrants). That's pretty much 1/3 of the population that it's basically guaranteed to have no direct line relation whatsoever to any American Revolutionaries, and we weren't even looking at 3rd gen (grandkids of immigrants).

I would poke more holes in this and try to explain to you what you are missing, but if you don't get it already I doubt you would understand anyway.
So I'm not gonna waste my fingers >.<

I am simply saying they are American citizens that can't trace back their ancestry to anybody that lived in the American colonies during the independence war.
I'm NOT saying those people are "not Americans" nor any other such nonsense.

Quite the contrary, actually, some of the 1st generation immigrants are probably "more American" than quite a few Nth generation ones, and pretty much the same for a lot of the 2nd generation ones.
And yes, not every last 2nd generation child is born from two 1st generation immigrants, a sizable portion might be born from one immigrant parent and somebody else with a few more "local" generations behind them, but if you look at the 3rd generation, whatever exceptions you get from the 2nd generation is sure to be more than compensated for with 3rd generation people. And it is quite conceivable there could be some 5th or even 7th generation "Americans" that have no direct line "original American" ancestors.

Bottom line, about at least a third of the country's population is almost guaranteed to have no direct line ancestors that lived in the American colonies during the independence war.
No more, no less. No implication. No morality. No superiority nor inferiority. Simply ancestry and nothing else.

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Robby Altair
#42 - 2013-11-12 00:48:26 UTC
"You don't hurt 'em if you don't hit 'em."

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Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#43 - 2013-11-12 01:13:52 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Black Panpher wrote:
Quote:
Currently about 1/8 of the population are "1st generation Americans" (a.k.a. immigrants), and an additional 1/4 of the total is 2nd generation American (i.e. kids of immigrants). That's pretty much 1/3 of the population that it's basically guaranteed to have no direct line relation whatsoever to any American Revolutionaries, and we weren't even looking at 3rd gen (grandkids of immigrants).

I would poke more holes in this and try to explain to you what you are missing, but if you don't get it already I doubt you would understand anyway.
So I'm not gonna waste my fingers >.<

I am simply saying they are American citizens that can't trace back their ancestry to anybody that lived in the American colonies during the independence war.
I'm NOT saying those people are "not Americans" nor any other such nonsense.

Quite the contrary, actually, some of the 1st generation immigrants are probably "more American" than quite a few Nth generation ones, and pretty much the same for a lot of the 2nd generation ones.
And yes, not every last 2nd generation child is born from two 1st generation immigrants, a sizable portion might be born from one immigrant parent and somebody else with a few more "local" generations behind them, but if you look at the 3rd generation, whatever exceptions you get from the 2nd generation is sure to be more than compensated for with 3rd generation people. And it is quite conceivable there could be some 5th or even 7th generation "Americans" that have no direct line "original American" ancestors.

Bottom line, about at least a third of the country's population is almost guaranteed to have no direct line ancestors that lived in the American colonies during the independence war.
No more, no less. No implication. No morality. No superiority nor inferiority. Simply ancestry and nothing else.


You took a swing but you completely missed the point.
It's ok though because I too am not talking about superiority / inferiority.
I am also neither English or American.
Nachshon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-11-12 01:41:04 UTC
Hey, let's not forget the REAL holiday - my birthday, which was yesterday.

Caldari by birth, Minmatar by choice. Give me the word, and I'll bring down the sky.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#45 - 2013-11-12 01:42:37 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:

We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts!



I'm confused, I thought that's why we had Australia, you were not important enough to ship halfway across the world so you left on your own

Smile OK, you guys got your evacuation paid for, that's wretched refuse bonus points. ::high five knuckle bump::
Robby Altair
#46 - 2013-11-12 01:48:19 UTC
It's, The Boys in Company C ,... and Staff Sergeant Loyce .

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#47 - 2013-11-12 09:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Black Panpher wrote:
You took a swing but you completely missed the point.

So why don't you cleartext it then?
Stop beating around the bush.

Or would you prefer if I should guess even the vague direction of what you were thinking might be inaccurate?

That I forget pre-European-colonization native americans? Or that the actual and/or guesstimate numbers I gave are off, either by a little or by a lot, either by 1st gen, 2nd gen or overall guess? That I know where Jimmy Hoffa's body is buried?

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-11-12 10:01:41 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Mudkest wrote:
edit: Oh, and you're all decendants of traitors to the british crown. Just saying

Quite likely not as many as you think, and certainly not all.
Given the massive amount of immigration a good while after having declared independence and the tendency for immigrants to "stick to their own kind" (and then there's also the "slave thing"), there's a good chance a big portion of the population of the USofA can't trace back any of its ancestors to somebody who was alive around those parts at that time.
Twisted

The percentage of people with primary English or Irish ancestry combined is dwarfed by either one of those with mainly German, Mexican or African ancestry. Lol

Total USofA population in ~1820: 10 million
Total number of immigrants from ~1820 to ~1920: over 30 million
Current USA population: ~ 314 million
Current YEARLY number of immigrants: ~1 million

So it's almost guaranteed that there are the very least 30+ million citizens of the USA that have absolutely no ancestry that participated in the Independence War, and probably more than half of the population (so, call it 160+ million) is in the same boat.

We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw Old Yeller? Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end? [raises his hand] Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I'm sure. [hands are reluctantly raised] I cried my eyes out. [even more hands go up]
-Private Winger: "Stripes"


Stripes was a good movie. Think ill watch it tonight after work.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#49 - 2013-11-12 13:02:16 UTC
The funny thing is how the marines converted from men who climbed out of combat to take shots at the heads of boarding enemies to the full frontal assault units that they are today

P.S. As a proud member of a community within the United States of America the enemy is not the head of state but those that got him and the previous head of state into their positions. The worst encroachment on the rights of the citizens of the USA was perpetrated under the 'conservative' government headed by a president that got their position based upon nepotism Shocked just saying Mr. The President is a traitor.
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