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Why does null-sec want to conquer high-sec?
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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#101 - 2013-11-11 18:48:46 UTC
The best part of siphons is emptying out other people's siphons.
Thomas Harding
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-11-11 19:28:01 UTC
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
Nullsec is supposed to be more profitable than highsec. Otherwise there is no point of nullsec.

So yes nullsec players should care about highsec.



This is something I just don't get. Shouldn't it be about fun, not about profit.

Sure you need some amount of isk to survive, but after that, why would you do something boring for profit if you could do something fun instead?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2013-11-11 19:31:10 UTC
Thomas Harding wrote:
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
Nullsec is supposed to be more profitable than highsec. Otherwise there is no point of nullsec.

So yes nullsec players should care about highsec.



This is something I just don't get. Shouldn't it be about fun, not about profit.

Sure you need some amount of isk to survive, but after that, why would you do something boring for profit if you could do something fun instead?


Fun and grinding missions/anoms don't tend to be things you find together.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#104 - 2013-11-11 19:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Thomas Harding wrote:
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
Nullsec is supposed to be more profitable than highsec. Otherwise there is no point of nullsec.

So yes nullsec players should care about highsec.



This is something I just don't get. Shouldn't it be about fun, not about profit.

Sure you need some amount of isk to survive, but after that, why would you do something boring for profit if you could do something fun instead?


Ask High Sec Incursion Runners lol.

Back before the 1st incursions nerf, incursion community members were on these forums screaming "it's not amount the money, it;s about the community and the fun of doing incursions". So CCP nerfed incursions and the "not about the money" crowd joined faction warfare en mass to farm LP LOL. CCP had to de-nerf incursions a little bit to get people back to doing them again.

I guess it was about the money.......
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2013-11-11 19:35:02 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
also, non-populated systems with moon mining?

is this the large nullbear tears thread


Well I've seen PL anchoring moon mining operations in low sec before. I find it hard to believe that those null sec systems you call worthless have no good moons in them.

I could always come and scout them out and pop some siphons on the nice ones to help you with your population issues.


oh no not siphons anything but siphons please don't even mention siphons lest i succumb to the vapors
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-11-11 19:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
I think a better question is, "Why do high-sec players reject the efforts of null-sec saviors who would liberate them from the shackles of high-sec slavery?"

There's obviously some kind of Stockholme Syndrome at play, here.

Fear not, friends. It is not our wish to conquer you. We wish only to save you from yourselves.

We're from null sec, and we're here to help.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#107 - 2013-11-11 19:46:58 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
also, non-populated systems with moon mining?

is this the large nullbear tears thread

Well I've seen PL anchoring moon mining operations in low sec before. I find it hard to believe that those null sec systems you call worthless have no good moons in them.

I could always come and scout them out and pop some siphons on the nice ones to help you with your population issues.

oh no not siphons anything but siphons please don't even mention siphons lest i succumb to the vapors

I think you might see details about those PL low sec moon mining operations, but I can't guarantee it.

But get ready your siphons, some of them are in nice spots...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-11-11 19:58:09 UTC
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#109 - 2013-11-11 20:00:54 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".
Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#110 - 2013-11-11 20:06:27 UTC
Because HighSec is actually worth saving, albeit not due to the pve content which is cheap and lazy.

Many many Eve players can have a far more enjoyable Eve experience, with limited time. In a good half organised alliance, doing multiple things per day even if the individual has only an hour or two is/can be so much more productive than spending the same amount of time doing the same level 4 missions, or shooting rocks.

There's more to Eve than PvE.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-11-11 20:13:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".

Several of our good posters tried to warn the public forums that this would happen, and pubbies kept snickering and saying something along the lines of "goonie tears."

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#112 - 2013-11-11 20:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".

Several of our good posters tried to warn the public forums that this would happen, and pubbies kept snickering and saying something along the lines of "goonie tears."


I know, I was watcing those threads and wondering how in the high hell could people be that short sighted. The Siphon will allow you guys and guys like you to directly affect your opponents moon goo operations WITHOUT a boring and equipment intensive operation to reinforce or kill a POS. And all the alts you have means all you'll have to do is have guys log in like once a day to pop siphons and you're immune to them basically.

And there are a LOT you you guys lol, it wouldn't take a lot of your members relatively speaking to wall paper large parts of moon-space with siphons. That fact and the fact that siphons destroy moon goo due to it being "lost in transit" means you can affect the prices of things without having to "interdict" or "ageddon" anything in high sec.

And it took me all of 5 seconds to figure out the above while the rabid goon haters were celebrating your imminent demise. The fools.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#113 - 2013-11-11 21:15:20 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
So because CCP tricked a bunch of High sec people to jump into Null sec to then get slaughtered by its local denizens, you derive that Null sec wants to conquer High sec? What?

My guess would be all the nerf hi-sec threads and gankers. If they cant have it then they would destroy it.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#114 - 2013-11-11 21:23:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".


This will be the most hilarious of all.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#115 - 2013-11-11 21:31:32 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".


This will be the most hilarious of all.


They make me happy because there is no offensive capabilities into hisec for siphons.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-11-11 22:11:09 UTC
Null sec does nto want to conquer high sec. But people.. want power.. and that is all over. in this game or anywhere else

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#117 - 2013-11-11 23:00:48 UTC
As far as Rubicon and the proposed changes to status ... I have no problems with the few PI planets I have in 0.5 systems going to a lower sec status providing the resources increase to match my 0.2 and 0.3 planets.

Down Khanid way there are a lot of mini losec "islands" of one or two systems and I assume these will all be now linked as a continuous stretch of losec, that may well be a good thing for anyone trying to get serious work done as there will be fewer gatecamp systems enroute.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#118 - 2013-11-12 00:55:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I love the idea of siphons.

Ever since the end of the Fountain Campaign, I have had a single request for Dear Leader: to give me just one more region to siege. In eight days, I will have the whole world to siege. I am beside myself with glee.


I'm going to sit on the sidelines and watch you Goons use the siphons (that are supposed to let all of these little people take it to "the man" which at this point is Goons) to school people on the truth known as "Malcanis' Law".

Several of our good posters tried to warn the public forums that this would happen, and pubbies kept snickering and saying something along the lines of "goonie tears."


I know, I was watcing those threads and wondering how in the high hell could people be that short sighted. The Siphon will allow you guys and guys like you to directly affect your opponents moon goo operations WITHOUT a boring and equipment intensive operation to reinforce or kill a POS. And all the alts you have means all you'll have to do is have guys log in like once a day to pop siphons and you're immune to them basically.

And there are a LOT you you guys lol, it wouldn't take a lot of your members relatively speaking to wall paper large parts of moon-space with siphons. That fact and the fact that siphons destroy moon goo due to it being "lost in transit" means you can affect the prices of things without having to "interdict" or "ageddon" anything in high sec.

And it took me all of 5 seconds to figure out the above while the rabid goon haters were celebrating your imminent demise. The fools.

my goon tears, 20% are lost during siphoning

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#119 - 2013-11-12 00:56:47 UTC
Edam Neadenil wrote:
As far as Rubicon and the proposed changes to status ... I have no problems with the few PI planets I have in 0.5 systems going to a lower sec status providing the resources increase to match my 0.2 and 0.3 planets.

Down Khanid way there are a lot of mini losec "islands" of one or two systems and I assume these will all be now linked as a continuous stretch of losec, that may well be a good thing for anyone trying to get serious work done as there will be fewer gatecamp systems enroute.

Oooh, going into lowsec, how ~daring~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#120 - 2013-11-12 01:54:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Edam Neadenil wrote:
As far as Rubicon and the proposed changes to status ... I have no problems with the few PI planets I have in 0.5 systems going to a lower sec status providing the resources increase to match my 0.2 and 0.3 planets.

Down Khanid way there are a lot of mini losec "islands" of one or two systems and I assume these will all be now linked as a continuous stretch of losec, that may well be a good thing for anyone trying to get serious work done as there will be fewer gatecamp systems enroute.

Oooh, going into lowsec, how ~daring~



well ... live in losec with the alt in question

... and never see many null people .. just locals and highsec people

... and when on occasion we go into null to ninja or gank miners they see a neutral in system and run and hide :D