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CCP, please let us, the players help the Philipphines!

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#81 - 2013-11-11 02:45:54 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


So, challenge accepted, mate?

I did my duty, I am waiting for you now. I know it's unelegant to post donations but this is not a show off, I have to prove it's real, we are in EvE after all.

First round of proofs: screenshots. Second round of proofs: video of it being done, I'll probably be able to post it tomorrow (now it's late here).




Here's the second round: Video proof of payment.

Now, Nam Dnilb, it's really your turn. Blink

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Lady Areola Fappington
#82 - 2013-11-11 03:39:01 UTC
Just in case you folks didn't know, cash you donate today doesn't go straight to the current disaster du jour. Typically, charities run one disaster behind when it comes to funding. Today's cash goes in the pot, what was collected last time goes to the current relief effort.

Honestly, the best type of disaster aid you can provide is donating blood. You donate blood in your area, it has a follow-on ripple effect down the line, freeing up resources to send out to (current disaster). Direct cash into the general fund is also excellent. Material goods are almost worthless, TBH. Nobody wants your old socks.

My personal fav charity to help is Doctors Without Borders. Great guys and gals who do a ton of good out there.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#83 - 2013-11-11 07:19:55 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Just in case you folks didn't know, cash you donate today doesn't go straight to the current disaster du jour. Typically, charities run one disaster behind when it comes to funding. Today's cash goes in the pot, what was collected last time goes to the current relief effort.

Honestly, the best type of disaster aid you can provide is donating blood. You donate blood in your area, it has a follow-on ripple effect down the line, freeing up resources to send out to (current disaster). Direct cash into the general fund is also excellent. Material goods are almost worthless, TBH. Nobody wants your old socks.

My personal fav charity to help is Doctors Without Borders. Great guys and gals who do a ton of good out there.


If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.

The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.

Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.

In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.

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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#84 - 2013-11-11 07:37:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.

The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.

Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.

In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.


Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs.

tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#85 - 2013-11-11 08:13:18 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.

The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.

Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.

In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.


Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs.

tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.




Effectively what I was getting at, yeah. They don't physically send the units of blood you donate overseas, it gets very quickly sold locally, and that cash goes into the red cross coffers. The follow-on is, every unit acquired locally is another unit not having to be brought in from outside. That can ripple down the chain, so that blood closest to the disaster zone DOES get sent. IIRC, they were telling people around Sandy NOT to donate blood, they had plenty, but to donate locally so funds could get moved. Sparing a pint of the red stuff is a lot easier on people than sparing ~$200.

Now, if you really feel like being efficient, bring your laptop to the blood center, and grind ISK for a PLEX donation while you have the needle in your arm.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#86 - 2013-11-11 08:20:42 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.

The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.

Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.

In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.


Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs.

tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.




Effectively what I was getting at, yeah. They don't physically send the units of blood you donate overseas, it gets very quickly sold locally, and that cash goes into the red cross coffers. The follow-on is, every unit acquired locally is another unit not having to be brought in from outside. That can ripple down the chain, so that blood closest to the disaster zone DOES get sent. IIRC, they were telling people around Sandy NOT to donate blood, they had plenty, but to donate locally so funds could get moved. Sparing a pint of the red stuff is a lot easier on people than sparing ~$200.

Now, if you really feel like being efficient, bring your laptop to the blood center, and grind ISK for a PLEX donation while you have the needle in your arm.


While this is mildly off topic, I could not help but bring up the American Armed Forces/DoD Blood Program.

It is also an excellent program, and the blood and/or plasma donated has a turnaround time of slightly less than 2 weeks. This includes countries we send military aid to, which will soon include the Phillipines (USMC is headed there in less than a day).

And even if not to direct aid, the plasma is not sold locally, they guarantee use on victims specified within the program.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#87 - 2013-11-11 09:36:08 UTC
I'll send you a couple of plex I have sitting around. Yes, there are more direct ways to support relief efforts (which everyone can do separately) but this would be good publicity for CCP as well.

Come on CCP, pull your finger out and do a community event that actually works!

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Doomheim
#88 - 2013-11-11 09:55:25 UTC
I think this is a GREAT idea.

CCP - Please let us help these people, and show that EVE is so much more than "just" a game.

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Pampers Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-11-11 10:50:01 UTC
Tweeted Afew of the CCP Bro's to take a look at this thread.

Hopefully they check there twitter often enough.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#90 - 2013-11-11 11:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Filed a petition to get a ruling on some things related to this idea (can you demand a ransom payable to the fund instead of yourself, are you required to honor such ransoms, etc). Of note in the reply was word that CCP are looking into the original idea.

On the ransom questions - for PR reasons (charity PR not CCP PR) CCP would prefer this is not done. Just steal ISK as normal, then optionally tell the victim you are donating the heist to this appeal. I will accept this. Last thing I want is someone claiming out of game to the charity that they were coerced into making a donation.

But yes, GMs at least knew about this initiative before I contacted them.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#91 - 2013-11-11 12:01:13 UTC
It's good to hear they have heard of the initiative :)

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#92 - 2013-11-11 13:21:26 UTC
Here's the official text of the in game petition to CCP. I have modified it so it's not a post of an in game ticket, but it faithfully keeps the spirit of the request.


Hello,

Some days ago I have publicly (on the forums) received a reply from CCP Eterne stating that CCP is still up for charity initiatives.

Now, the Philippines disaster happened and it's THE time to start a "PLEX for good" charity initiative.

I and others have donated some RL money to the Philippines Red Cross but more can be done.

I am the manager of the VAERT (Vahrokh's Emergengies Relief Trust) whose only reason to exist is to provide lots of PLEXes in case of CCP charity drives.

This charity, whose launch thread is located here is running since 2011 and has delivered $4,286 in the PLEX for Japan initiative.
CCP CEO Hilmar even featured VAERT during a past Fanfest.

A quite popular launch thread about this initiative is currently running in General Discussion.


We are here to help, please let us help Philippines now!

Signed,
Vaerah Vahrokha and many other players

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-11-11 13:27:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
Please don't CCP. Don't kill EVE to save the phillipines. And you WILL kill EVE by increasing PLEX price much more.

How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active.

There is more than 6 billion of people on the Earth. They all WILL DIE in 60-70 years (to free space for new people who will born). You can calculate how many people is dying every second just because of natural life cycle. I predict numbers in thousand range....

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#94 - 2013-11-11 13:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
March rabbit wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
Please don't CCP. Don't kill EVE to save the phillipines. And you WILL kill EVE by increasing PLEX price much more.

How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active.

There is more than 6 billion of people on the Earth. They all WILL DIE in 60-70 years (to free space for new people who will born). You can calculate how many people is dying every second just because of natural life cycle. I predict numbers in thousand range....



Statistics and cohort models are great fun. I shall be sure to pass along the sentiment :)

The $1900 equivalent sitting waiting already will hopefully help keep those numbers closer to the "natural life cycle"

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#95 - 2013-11-11 14:14:48 UTC
...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#96 - 2013-11-11 14:25:57 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate



It has been covered that a) these things are not mutually exclusive. b) not everyone has enough money to be able to donate more IRL than ingame (in dollar values), c) not everyone can give blood, d) the people in the Philippines, and the Red cross etc don't give a flying **** where the money comes from.

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Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#97 - 2013-11-11 14:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Daisai
Why not just give money without the need of bringing eve in the picture?
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#98 - 2013-11-11 14:50:54 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Why not just give money without the need of bringing eve in the picture?



This has been covered several times.

Across several funds, there is already 76bn put aside for emergency relief causes. This is ISK which is already earmarked for these purposes.

You can do both. Some of us are not lucky enough to have $100 dollars or so IRL cash lying around, but, we have the equivalent in ingame assets.

This is not the first time CCP have done this, and they are not alone in gaming raising funds for good causes. (Extra Life etc). This is players wanting to have the ability to utilise the funds already put aside (as you know cos you read the OP), as well as get a few billion extra.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#99 - 2013-11-11 14:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate


In case you missed it in the previous page, I have given a practical example of donating ALSO for the Red Cross.

Actually, you could give the good example by joining me and posting here your RL donation receipt.

Give the example, not empty words. Empty words are easy and cheap, but don't help anyone.

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#100 - 2013-11-11 15:23:03 UTC
Bumping for a good cause.

CCP are probably only just getting past their morning coffee at work, so I am sure they will get to this soon.

Obviously internal decisions have to be made with regard to this (make the right one CCP), so we shouldn't get on their case just yet, give them time.

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