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Niclas Solo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-11-11 23:06:42 UTC
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
i quote myself
Quote:
of course i train them to 4 ASAP


i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no?


It is a good way to lose ships, When you fly them too soon. Just because you can doesn't mean you should Blink
And for missions tank is overrated, you want dps so you can finish them asap.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#22 - 2013-11-12 14:35:57 UTC
yep im aware of that :)

i am very very careful running L4s tho.. i study eve survival and make sure that webbing frigs and neut ships are
taking care of as soon as possible..
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#23 - 2013-11-12 18:37:00 UTC
Do what you can afford, and enjoy.
Priorities for your rattler are.
Targeting skills to 4. Shield skills to 4. Drone interfacing 5, sentry interfacing 4, support in this order; drone sharpshooting, combat drone ops, electronic warfare drone interfacing, drone durability+navigation to 3.
Don't neglect your navigation skills, they should be at 4 for the relevant skills MJD ops should not go over 3.
Gallente BS skill to 5, caldari can hang at 4 for a while.
Do not neglect your social skills especially security connections.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#24 - 2013-11-13 02:03:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
thanks.. thats a good option.. i dunno if im going to use them tho..

40 dps more on Garde with my skills.. think i'd prefer to get Sentry Drone V and Interfacing V ASAP


but still asking: can i beat L4s with the stats that i posted?


edit: i just went to jita and bought these drones P


Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the ewar-frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :)
Take care of the triggers with attention, or else you might end up asking in local for help or repeat the mission the next day after downtime. :P
Don't get afraid, you will not lose any ships. Just go out and approach the missions with care. You will learn a lot by doing so. Warp out if it gets hot. Better safe than sorry. Don't be ashamed to ask in local for others to run the missions together with you. People are in systems for a reason, and more often than not, the pilots in the same system follow same interests. You can make friends quickly and have a lot of fun running the missions, even if your skills are more than terrible. :)
I am writing out of personal experience. :))

The training of Sentry DI and DI, both to V might feel like an eternity, but believe me, once you finish both, you will not regret a single second of waiting time. Start with Sentry DI 5 first.
Gallente BS 5 is not THAT crucial. You will deal enough damage without it already, don't worry about that. Use the 35-40 days of training time for other more crucial support skills.
Train Weapon upgrades IV for T2 DDA, Drone Sharpshooting V for T2 Omnidirectional tracking links, and for T2 shield tanking modules as soon as possible.

Have a lot of fun with the L4 missions and I hope you will make a lot of friends. :)
Luis Alejandro Flores
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-11-13 06:13:57 UTC
Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting.
Which system are you missioning in?

Ayyy LMAO.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#26 - 2013-11-13 07:09:08 UTC
Quote:
Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the ewar-frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :)
Take care of the triggers with attention, or else you might end up asking in local for help or repeat the mission the next day after downtime. :P
Don't get afraid, you will not lose any ships. Just go out and approach the missions with care. You will learn a lot by doing so. Warp out if it gets hot. Better safe than sorry. Don't be ashamed to ask in local for others to run the missions together with you. People are in systems for a reason, and more often than not, the pilots in the same system follow same interests. You can make friends quickly and have a lot of fun running the missions, even if your skills are more than terrible. :)
I am writing out of personal experience. :))

The training of Sentry DI and DI, both to V might feel like an eternity, but believe me, once you finish both, you will not regret a single second of waiting time. Start with Sentry DI 5 first.
Gallente BS 5 is not THAT crucial. You will deal enough damage without it already, don't worry about that. Use the 35-40 days of training time for other more crucial support skills.
Train Weapon upgrades IV for T2 DDA, Drone Sharpshooting V for T2 Omnidirectional tracking links, and for T2 shield tanking modules as soon as possible.

Have a lot of fun with the L4 missions and I hope you will make a lot of friends. :)


thanks!
thats what im doing right now.. getting rid of EWAR ships and watching triggers..
..did all the tough L4 missions without warping out (Enemies Abound, Damsel, Blockade etc.)

my shield skills are good already.. only Shield Management is still on IV.. but my tank is good enough atm.

next step is Gallente & Caldari BS 4 (after Ewar Drone Interfacing 3)
and then Sentry Interfacing 5 (i prefer that to DI 5 because of better range with Gardes/Bouncers T2 sentrys)
DI 5 comes afterwards..
(weapon upgrades is IV, drone sharpshooting IV: im using navy omnis -> train to V soon)

before Gallente/Caldari BS 5 im training to T2 Cruise Missiles (i like the idea of hopping in a Navy Scorpion or CNR from time to time)

Quote:
Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting.
Which system are you missioning in?


Caldari Space..

i know about the magical rat specific tanking and damage to deal ;)

cheers!
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#27 - 2013-11-13 18:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
All up to you but.
The optimal route would be gallente BS 4, drone interfacing 5, drone durability 3, drone sharpshooting 5 and finally sentry drone interfacing 5.
Damage between faction and techII is not enough to ignore the amount of tank you get out of faction drones.
Don't think that with sub-optimal skills you will get the same dps scoop/returning techII drones due to agro.
It will lessen dps and also tax your ship tank more.
The amount of tracking you get out of techII's are not going to bring home the dps if there isn't enough.
Edit: Tracking on faction and normal drones is quite good already and most of your dps comes from wardens at the 80-40km range anyway.
Which makes npc MWD right at you.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#28 - 2013-11-13 19:02:10 UTC
Niclas Solo wrote:
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
i quote myself
Quote:
of course i train them to 4 ASAP


i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no?


It is a good way to lose ships, When you fly them too soon. Just because you can doesn't mean you should Blink
And for missions tank is overrated, you want dps so you can finish them asap.


In general yes, but really I would disagree here. The rattler is definitely the most low-sp-friendly of pirate BS, because its more tanky and less ganky. And yeah, tank is overrated, but not for low SP characters that don't have high DPS anyway, and definitely not for underskilled players in expensive ships.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2013-11-13 19:12:19 UTC
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
Quote:
Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the ewar-frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :)
Take care of the triggers with attention, or else you might end up asking in local for help or repeat the mission the next day after downtime. :P
Don't get afraid, you will not lose any ships. Just go out and approach the missions with care. You will learn a lot by doing so. Warp out if it gets hot. Better safe than sorry. Don't be ashamed to ask in local for others to run the missions together with you. People are in systems for a reason, and more often than not, the pilots in the same system follow same interests. You can make friends quickly and have a lot of fun running the missions, even if your skills are more than terrible. :)
I am writing out of personal experience. :))

The training of Sentry DI and DI, both to V might feel like an eternity, but believe me, once you finish both, you will not regret a single second of waiting time. Start with Sentry DI 5 first.
Gallente BS 5 is not THAT crucial. You will deal enough damage without it already, don't worry about that. Use the 35-40 days of training time for other more crucial support skills.
Train Weapon upgrades IV for T2 DDA, Drone Sharpshooting V for T2 Omnidirectional tracking links, and for T2 shield tanking modules as soon as possible.

Have a lot of fun with the L4 missions and I hope you will make a lot of friends. :)


thanks!
thats what im doing right now.. getting rid of EWAR ships and watching triggers..
..did all the tough L4 missions without warping out (Enemies Abound, Damsel, Blockade etc.)

my shield skills are good already.. only Shield Management is still on IV.. but my tank is good enough atm.

next step is Gallente & Caldari BS 4 (after Ewar Drone Interfacing 3)
and then Sentry Interfacing 5 (i prefer that to DI 5 because of better range with Gardes/Bouncers T2 sentrys)
DI 5 comes afterwards..
(weapon upgrades is IV, drone sharpshooting IV: im using navy omnis -> train to V soon)

before Gallente/Caldari BS 5 im training to T2 Cruise Missiles (i like the idea of hopping in a Navy Scorpion or CNR from time to time)

Quote:
Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting.
Which system are you missioning in?


Caldari Space..

i know about the magical rat specific tanking and damage to deal ;)

cheers!


That all sounds perfect! Good luck out there! o7 :)
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#30 - 2013-11-13 19:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Marcus Walkuris wrote:
All up to you but.
The optimal route would be gallente BS 4, drone interfacing 5, drone durability 3, drone sharpshooting 5 and finally sentry drone interfacing 5.
Damage between faction and techII is not enough to ignore the amount of tank you get out of faction drones.
Don't think that with sub-optimal skills you will get the same dps scoop/returning techII drones due to agro.
It will lessen dps and also tax your ship tank more.
The amount of tracking you get out of techII's are not going to bring home the dps if there isn't enough.
Edit: Tracking on faction and normal drones is quite good already and most of your dps comes from wardens at the 80-40km range anyway.
Which makes npc MWD right at you.


That route is not that optimal, sorry.
Always Sentry Drone Interfacing V first. Drone interfacing 4 to 5 increases damage output by 11% (and that of T1 Sentry drones that basically shoot wet paper balls), and the usage of T2 Sentry drones plus the level 5 bonus has a damage increase bonus of 25%, melting through the missions like a hot knife through butter, and while you wait for Drone Interfacing V for 20 days, you can run the missions much quicker and with less frustration.
Only train Drone interfacing 5 first if you plan to specialize in T2 Heavy drones instead, but that is out of question here.
Rush Sentry Drone Interfacing 5, then immediately rush Drone Interfacing 5, followed by Drone Sharpshooting 5. It absolutely crucial that those two rank5 skills get to 5, so cruicial that it is not even worth waiting the 4 more days for drone sharpshooting 5 to finish!

I personally use faction Omni's and have drone sharpshooting 5 anyway. Reason being that the navy Omni's give 5% more boni than the T2's. Better tracking always increases the DPS output, this should not be overlooked.

May I suggest you something else that I forgot, maybe consider training Drone rigging to 4 and use one large T2 Sentry drone rig with 2 T1 shield rigs. That will buff your damage noticeably. The large T2 sentry drone rigs cost around 150 million ISK. If that is affordable to you, go for it at some point.
The sentry drone rigs do not stack with your 3 T2 Drone damage Amplifiers that you're gonna probably use.

With Sentry Drone Interfacing 5 and Drone Interfacing 5, and Gallente BS 4, with that T2 sentry rig, and 3 T2 DDA's you would be around 720-750+ sentry drone damage only.
Let me translate this for you, it means "THIS IS FUN AS HELL!!!!!!" ;)

You are on a good path. I wish you all the best, Schmu! :))
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#31 - 2013-11-13 19:37:13 UTC
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#32 - 2013-11-13 19:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Batelle wrote:
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.


more than 3 DDA's is a waste of slot, regardless of how many slots are available. One sentry drone rig is mandatory, imho.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#33 - 2013-11-13 19:49:40 UTC
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.


more than 3 DDA's is a waste of slot, regardless of how many slots are available. One sentry drone rig is mandatory, imho.


if a 4th DDA is a waste of a lowslot, then 3 DDAs and a damage rig is DEFINITELY a waste of a rig slot, since it sucks up 300 calibration (if t2, limiting the rest of your rig choices), gives less damage than a 4th DDA, doesn't do anything for non-sentry drones, hurts your CPU, and uses up a rigslot which is generally more versatile than a lowslot (if occasionally less powerful depending on the use).

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#34 - 2013-11-13 19:50:34 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.


more than 3 DDA's is a waste of slot, regardless of how many slots are available. One sentry drone rig is mandatory, imho.


if a 4th DDA is a waste of a lowslot, then 3 DDAs and a damage rig is DEFINITELY a waste of a rig slot, since it sucks up 300 calibration (if t2, limiting the rest of your rig choices), gives less damage than a 4th DDA, doesn't do anything for non-sentry drones, hurts your CPU, and uses up a rigslot which is generally more versatile than a lowslot (if occasionally less powerful depending on the use).


ok
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#35 - 2013-11-14 01:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmu Efrafa
hej, thanks for the response!

i was thinking about the Sentry Drone Rig already.. if im going to use one i would take the T2 version, but in that
case my tank suffers quite a bit (Sentry Drone II doesnt fit with 2x Purger I)

On an active tanked rattle i'd definitely use a drone rig..

i was thinking about something like this:

active rattle
tanks >500 DPS against guristas and shouldnt be tooo expensive
(the shield boosters are around 150mil each)

no Large Booster due to CPU issues...
Bouncers hit to max targeting range..
Gardes to 50km..
Rigs are optional.. can switch for more resists, cap etc. if wanted

edit: actually this one seems better ;P
Large Boost Rattle
should use Warden II to get most of the target range..
possible to change the cap rig to drone control range rig to add even more dps to range :)


Personally i stay in my passive Rattle for now.. the active tanked versions seems a bit more skill hungry and risky

Quote:
You are on a good path. I wish you all the best, Schmu! :))


hihi, thanks :) i wish there was a mechanic that speeds up training when using the skills and/or beeing active ingame..
..cant wait
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#36 - 2013-11-14 05:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
hej, thanks for the response!

i was thinking about the Sentry Drone Rig already.. if im going to use one i would take the T2 version, but in that
case my tank suffers quite a bit (Sentry Drone II doesnt fit with 2x Purger I)



"Offense is the best defense." :P
Yes, the 350 calibration on the Rattlesnake, well, "hurt"...a bit. :)

What about another idea?
What if you take one T1 Large Sentry Damage rig which will take up 200 calibration, and two large T2 Purger rigs that will take 150 calibration as you suggested?

Have you considered T2 Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard rigs, which would reduce the capacitor usage of your shield booster? That would also allow you to tank better.
The Purger rigs would maybe rather be a good choice for a passively tanked ship? What do you think?

Well, overall I might just run one T1 Sentry drone rig and two T2 Safeguard rigs. That would maybe support the duo-shield booster setup like a charm, in case you wish to run it. :))

Btw, your fits show that you have 4 DDA's fitted. Would the stats look better if you would take one DDA out, and replace it with a Ballistic Control System?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#37 - 2013-11-14 05:43:07 UTC
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.


more than 3 DDA's is a waste of slot, regardless of how many slots are available. One sentry drone rig is mandatory, imho.


if a 4th DDA is a waste of a lowslot, then 3 DDAs and a damage rig is DEFINITELY a waste of a rig slot, since it sucks up 300 calibration (if t2, limiting the rest of your rig choices), gives less damage than a 4th DDA, doesn't do anything for non-sentry drones, hurts your CPU, and uses up a rigslot which is generally more versatile than a lowslot (if occasionally less powerful depending on the use).


ok


If you think it's mandatory to have a sentry damage augmentor rig on top of 3 DDAs, you don't know anything about fitting a droneboat.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#38 - 2013-11-14 06:04:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Sway
Dato Koppla wrote:
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Janna Sway wrote:
Batelle wrote:
imo very little reason to put a sentry drone rig on a rattlesnake. It has plenty of lowslots. If you need more drone damage fit another DDA, and use the rig slot for whatever you gave up to fit that extra dda.


more than 3 DDA's is a waste of slot, regardless of how many slots are available. One sentry drone rig is mandatory, imho.


if a 4th DDA is a waste of a lowslot, then 3 DDAs and a damage rig is DEFINITELY a waste of a rig slot, since it sucks up 300 calibration (if t2, limiting the rest of your rig choices), gives less damage than a 4th DDA, doesn't do anything for non-sentry drones, hurts your CPU, and uses up a rigslot which is generally more versatile than a lowslot (if occasionally less powerful depending on the use).


ok


If you think it's mandatory to have a sentry damage augmentor rig on top of 3 DDAs, you don't know anything about fitting a droneboat.


Amen, Professor Droneboat. :D
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#39 - 2013-11-14 07:55:44 UTC
Janna Sway wrote:

Amen, Professor Droneboat. :D


Thanks for the compliment :) Not a professor though, just have some basic fitting knowledge, but I see how you could mistake me for a professor considering you lack it.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#40 - 2013-11-14 12:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmu Efrafa
Quote:

Btw, your fits show that you have 4 DDA's fitted. Would the stats look better if you would take one DDA out, and replace it with a Ballistic Control System?


nope ;) i tried.. but missiles are quite overrated on the rattle

also: without missile bonus and rigor/flare rigs u dont apply as much damage as EFT shows..
(especially against anything smaller than Battleships)

Quote:

The Purger rigs would maybe rather be a good choice for a passively tanked ship? What do you think?


as far as i know Purger Rigs are mandatory for passive tanked Rattles

Quote:
What if you take one T1 Large Sentry Damage rig which will take up 200 calibration, and two large T2 Purger rigs that will take 150 calibration as you suggested?


yes, im going to do that when i have Caldari BS V, Shield Management V to compensate the tank loss
(but: it just adds 22 Drone DPS.. so im not convinced if its worth it.. also considering that Purger II are so much more expensive than Purger I)

Quote:
Have you considered T2 Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard rigs, which would reduce the capacitor usage of your shield booster? That would also allow you to tank better.


yep i've thought about it.. but with a MJD fitted it might be enough cap to pulse the Large Booster for a while and then jump again..

also: if im going to use the Rattle with active shields and MJD i really like the idea of using a
Large Ancillary Shield Booster!
it seems to be less expensive than i thought and tanks quite alot for a kiting MJD Rattler:

Ancillary Shield Rattle
(Omni tank.. tanks 680 against Guristas with Kin/Therm Hardeners)


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Not a professor though, just have some basic fitting knowledge, but I see how you could mistake me for a professor considering you lack it.


insulting.. nonconstructive.. goodbye..