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Hi Sec: Your Future Vision

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stoicfaux
#141 - 2013-11-11 17:56:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
So what you see as making high sec less safe, I see as a means of highly encouraging PvE players to use macros en masse.

…and by “use macros” you mean “double-click in the fitting browser”, presumably? Blink

Unfortunately, your saved fittings don't work with a Mobile Depot. You have to drag'n'drop between the fitting window and your cargo (or container in your cargo.)

Which makes fitting from a Mobile Depot rather tedious and subject to RSI, which is probably going to encourage people to start macro'ing it.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Niec Mogul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2013-11-11 18:05:16 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
I'm rather hoping that CCP will return highsec back the way it was in the early days when there was no Concord protection.

At present there are a lot of suicide ganks in highsec, I would suggest that the removal of Concord would make miners and indy pilots safer as they could then either buy mercs to guard them (or have an internal pvp wing) that will shoot any bastard that comes within 200k of them (unless blue). ...


I just want to paint a little picture of how this would go down:

Quote:

MercCorp: Thanks for contacting MercCorp; what can I help you with?
MinerCorp: Yeah, we need protection for a mining fleet. We're in System X!
MercCorp: Sure thing! We just need 20 million up front, and we'll let you know when we're in the belt!
MinerCorp: Great!

(10 minutes later)

MercCorp: Ok, defense fleet in place! Warp on out!
MinerCorp: What? Why did you bring nothing but Tornadoes for this?

(BOOM)(BOOM)

MinerCorp: WTF, man! We had a deal!!
MercCorp: Welcome to EVE, sucka!!

(sound of tires squealing)



'Cause we all know that's how it would go down. I mean really, who wouldn't bite that hook? You'll be where? You'll be flying ****-for-tanks mining ships? You're gonna pay me to show up? Well yeah, I think I'll be right on over!

Now surely some apologist will be along in a moment crowing "ruined reputations" and how "no one would hire such a merc corp after a few kills." Sure buddy. You go ahead and name a few corps that are still around with such sullied names. Painted so red that they just can't get hired anymore. I'm positive that there's just scads of them lurking in the shadows, hiding in the corners from their prior deeds...

Also, don't ask me how they got tires on a Tornado. Or how they peeled out in space. I'm sure it'll be in a future expansion.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2013-11-11 18:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
stoicfaux wrote:
Unfortunately, your saved fittings don't work with a Mobile Depot.
So bug report it.

Niec Mogul wrote:
'Cause we all know that's how it would go down. I mean really, who wouldn't bite that hook?
Anyone who wants repeat business and free ISK.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#144 - 2013-11-11 18:37:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Don Aubaris wrote:
Deadwood. All DEVs should be forced too watch Deadwood 10 Times. And apparantly some a few times more. Then they they would finally understand how humans act. From the Lawless start (where you can make it ritch) to some kind of civilized situation (where gains are less). This is what people do and want in reallife. And CCP has the bad habit of not respecting this. Their latest decission tries to go into the trend. Which government privatizes its custom services and let companies determine tax-rates in a monopoly situation (since there is only 1 per planet)?? Even if they get their cut, the resulting decreased trade and hence economic dowfall and general unhappiness of the populaiton would make them vulnerable. It's just not realistic.

How long would it take for some Nullsec Alliance to realize there is free money there. Just shoot everything up, put your own stuff in place and see the money come. After all, high-seccers are the civilized part of space. They don't fight as good nor do they want too. Cilivized people have the law and the army for that. So the only serious counter-reaction would be from another serious Null-sec Alliance. And so War comes to HighSec. Which idiot government allows that??

Perhaps DEV salaries should be linked to the tax income of planets, then they would think twice about doing stupid stuff Evil

looks like someone in doing their pi in a planet close to a hub system that will have its tax jacked up by some nullsec blobber structure shooters, oh no.


We put our fake money into that to make more fake money, and now you're changing the rules of how to make fake money. We'll have to adapt to survive, but how do you do that in hi-sec?

Hi-sec had one good passive income thing for newbies and now it's gone.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#145 - 2013-11-11 18:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Oh god the newbies!

Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#146 - 2013-11-11 18:46:18 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Oh god the newbies!

Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is.


How is it possible to pay lower taxes when the original taxes are still being collected on top of whatever tax rate the POCO owner institutes?
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#147 - 2013-11-11 18:47:36 UTC
I've only been around less than a month, am I a bittervet already? Isn't it important to know what is going on in the game? Did you know that newbie doesn't equal uninformed?
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#148 - 2013-11-11 18:49:17 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Oh god the newbies!

Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is.


How is it possible to pay lower taxes when the original taxes are still being collected on top of whatever tax rate the POCO owner institutes?

See, the nullsec guys are functionally illiterate. You cannot hope them to understand what has been written about the upcoming changes.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
stoicfaux
#149 - 2013-11-11 18:49:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Unfortunately, your saved fittings don't work with a Mobile Depot.
So bug report it.

/facepalm That's the obvious thing to do when you put it that way.

And add the threat of increased macro use to help it get traction.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#150 - 2013-11-11 18:50:40 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Oh god the newbies!

Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is.


How is it possible to pay lower taxes when the original taxes are still being collected on top of whatever tax rate the POCO owner institutes?

See, the nullsec guys are functionally illiterate. You cannot hope them to understand what has been written about the upcoming changes.


Such unfortunately accurate statements...
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-11-11 18:51:53 UTC
"These two changes (new skill and adjusted tax base values) mean that the NPC portion of the tax is going to be less than it is right now."

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#152 - 2013-11-11 18:54:01 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
"These two changes (new skill and adjusted tax base values) mean that the NPC portion of the tax is going to be less than it is right now."


I'm looking forward to that adjustment and the new skill, but seriously, I expect to just get locked out of dropping anything at all. I believe that was listed as a feature.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#153 - 2013-11-11 18:54:19 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
"These two changes (new skill and adjusted tax base values) mean that the NPC portion of the tax is going to be less than it is right now."

From the dev blog in question:
"The NPC tax will continue for hi sec POCOs (as we want low sec POCOs to still be competitive). The tax rate stays the same, at 10% for export and 5% for import. This is then in addition to whatever tax the player owner sets."

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#154 - 2013-11-11 18:56:21 UTC
It'll still be less tax, just the same percent. And this person who doesn't know what is going on doesn't actually track the tax anyway. :P
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#155 - 2013-11-11 18:59:31 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
"The NPC tax will continue for hi sec POCOs (as we want low sec POCOs to still be competitive). The tax rate stays the same, at 10% for export and 5% for import. This is then in addition to whatever tax the player owner sets."

…and the NPC portion of the tax is going to be less than it is right now, so if you're not illiterate, it's not hard to realise that you won't need any magical trick for the final tax to be lower.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-11-11 19:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Jythier Smith wrote:
I'm looking forward to that adjustment and the new skill, but seriously, I expect to just get locked out of dropping anything at all. I believe that was listed as a feature.


Except that would completely defeat the purpose of dropping them. The only place you're likely to see higher taxes is on planets closest to trade hubs, and the only place you'll see lockouts is random ass-end systems where people who don't know any better take them and lock everyone out who doesn't care anyway.

All this chiken-littling is from perma-hisec players who see the writing on the wall for easy-isk making in hisec. It has nothing to do with new players, and everything to do with people who want to eat their cake and have it too. These people have long identified their interests with those of new players out of greed, when there is little they have in common beyond the general systems they operate in. They have about as much in common as FW and pirates do in lowsec (ie, they're sort of around each other occasionally).

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#157 - 2013-11-11 19:16:06 UTC
Well, we'll see. You don't know what's going to happen either.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#158 - 2013-11-11 19:25:51 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
I've only been around less than a month, am I a bittervet already? Isn't it important to know what is going on in the game? Did you know that newbie doesn't equal uninformed?


This is the funniest post today when the subject is about you misunderstanding the POCO issue lol.

Welcome to yet another subject where "null sec people" end up schooling :high sec people" on high sec mechanics. like I've said before, High Sec doesn't teach players anything, not like low, null and wormhole space does.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#159 - 2013-11-11 19:31:14 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Well, we'll see. You don't know what's going to happen either.


I also don't know if my co-workers will be there when I get to my job in the morning, but based on past behaviour and a general understanding of the various incentives involved I can make a good guess.

That said, I'll take your response over "people in npc corp chat said goons have infiltrated CCP and are going to lock out all new players from hisec pocos so the maritanini can buy a Ferrari for his dog".

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#160 - 2013-11-11 19:32:45 UTC
I for one am excited about EVE Online having other games to compete with it - then all these whiny fucktards will finally have some place else to go!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist