EVE General Discussion

Lemme break it down like this. Highsec is like a Vespa scooter. Very few of us would admit to, much less be proud of riding one around, but a lot of people do to save money.

Well, obviously not many players get that. The petitions to nerf hisec are continuous, wereas hiseccers don't give a flying darn of the rest of space. "Play my way or go away" is a anti-hisec meme.

And as a hiseccer, my gripes with CCP development of hisec are long standing. How can it be that, 70 million SP and 5 years later, i am still running missions and mining? Why PI sucked balls? Why hisec exploration is a waste of time even if you're a noob? Why the new ghost sites treat me like a noob and won't give me not even a 1 in a million chance to get something worth my time, my skills and my money?

Why CCP pretends that I am wrong and I *shouldn't* want to stay in hisec so I deserve being punished with noob-level features and useless rewards for PvE?

I could understand if i was a tiny part of a diminutive minority -bigger fishes get better attention. But i seriously doubt that hisec is the small fry of EVE.

Hisec is a place where, 3 years and 30 million SP later, the player finds out that he's in a dead end and CCP is going nothing to provid anything worth his time, his skill, his money, and suit to his prefered gameplay. God knows how many friends i've lost to the 3 years disease! People who don't like or don't want to use the other spaces, and eventually find themsevles locked in hisec with nothing worth staying.



Wormholes are too dangerous and belong only to a special chaste of players. No local, no sov, no intel, deadly NPCs... nullsec is a easier place. Wormholes are the 3/8th of the game "as it should be" (cold! harsh! unforgiving!), and it turns that a vast majority of players stay clear of them.

Which to mey begs the question of why should new space resolve anything. Hiseccers won't go out of hisec. Nullseccers won't go out of blue/blueable space. Lowseccers, they're just starting to have fun with their new toys. And wormholers are very busy with their life on the frontier to bother with yet another frontier. The only misplaced people i can think of, are former nullseccers who lost a war and didn't turned coats...

And as far as i am concerned, the only "other place" i am interested to go, it's beyond the effing Door.

You know if you are going to make ALL of eve nullsec, then you also need to remove the mechanics which prevent players from truly being in a sandbox.

1. Remove skills completely from the game.
2. Remove all ISK and the concept of purchasing items.

If you want to have PVP combat so be it, but make new players just as dangerous as anyone in game. Allow them to enter any ship, fire any weapon they can find and you will have combat everywhere. We pay a monthly fee to play eve but only have access to a limited amount of actual content that is usable without having to train some long artificial skill queues.

Dayz is a great example of PVP combat mechanics that work great in PVP, GVP and GVG scenarios. In Dayz, anyone with a weapon and ammo is a threat, it doesn't matter how long you have played the game you can die to a new player with a Makarov pistol. In Dayz, loot is taken or discovered, not purchased. When you die, you lose all the things you carried with you. Everything, and have to start over.

Make eve more like Dayz and you there would be no need for Concord or highsec securtiy.

Eve was never fast and responsive with thousands of people on same location ... just as all other games ever made.

Aaaaa nope. You speak as someone that has never even TRIED PVP. You knwo what is one of the most powerful ships for combat in high sec? The Maulus. A simple t1 frigate that you can fly from first day. And fly pretty well within one week.

The problem is no where where where you think. Its in your lack of guts. Because a simple frigate liek this can disable 1 or 2 T2 cruisers piloted by 8 year old players.


We have lots of very very skilled peopel in our corp, and even so time to time those use that same little frigate.


Stop whinning, join a real corp and learn to fight. Yes its hard to fight with a very very high win rate ratio, beign ready for any scenario etc. But to fight effectively and help a lot your fleet? That is easy, and take a few thousand SP.

Yeah, no.

The petitions to nerf highsec are few and far between and about as common as the ones to nerf null — most of them are just highseccers repeating the rumour that such a petition exist, with nothing to back it up. And highseccers whine a huge amount about the rest of space (see any thread in the vein of “it's suicide to leave highsec”), often in the form of some thinly veiled jealousy of the content and riches they imagine are out ther, but which they're kept away from by the grr ebil nullseccers. “Play my way or go away” appears in every highsec whine thread in the form of “why did I get ganked? if you want to shoot people, go to low/null”.

Because you choose to.
As a highseccer, my gripes with CCP is that there's far too much on offer to me for far too little effort and cost. For you, there at least seems to be some drive to leave this part of space, but you choose not to, but for me, there isn't even that. There is quite literally nothing for me to get outside on high because everything I need is here — often in larger quantities and higher qualities and with easier access than the game even allows elsewhere.

How many of them didn't even attempt to go further down the road? Because no, it's not a dead end — it's just an intersection into another neighbourhood…

Highseccers will go out of highsec if there's enough reason to do so and if people stop feeding them nonsense about what's out there. Nullseccers are everywhere, especially in highsec, and lowseccers… well, ok, you're actually right there. It is the most fun part of space.

Ultimately it should be a choice / trade-off situation.

If someone wants to play in high-sec with the safety that entails then the returns should be lower than those who want to play in low sec/null sec. And I believe that is how it is currently.

One person's vision of EVE is not the definitive vision shared by all. Some people love null, some people love high-sec. Some people want to pirate, some people want to mine. It would be foolish for CCP to cater to only one type of player.

There are also alot of sweeping generalizations that are thrown out there simply because people don't agree with everything. Not everyone in high-sec is a whiner and not everyone in null/low sec are knuckle dragging gank machines. I primarily play in high-sec and when something unfortunate happens to me I just let it roll of my back as most of the time it's my own fault. With that said, if there was not the high-sec aspect of this game, I probably would not play. It's not because there is anything wrong with all out PVP - it's just not what I play for so I would move on.

Eve should have options that compliment various gameplay preferences. That is simply business sense. Pepsi doesn't only make cola tasting pop - it makes a wide spectrum of flavors to appeal to multiple groups of people. If it only made cola tasting pop then it would go out of business pretty quickly.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why people dislike Goons so much.

Confirming that people who shoot other people in a PvP game are sociopaths.

…and by “use macros” you mean “double-click in the fitting browser”, presumably?