EVE General Discussion

The area set aside for direct player interaction includes highsec, as well as lowsec, nullsec and wormhole space. Being in highsec doesn't mean immune to unwanted player interactions, it just means that some of those interactions get punished, after the fact.

The buff highsec advocates are ignorant, self absorbed players who are saying that nobody should be able to interfere with their playstyle, while advocating interfering with other players playstyles.

You are free to try and play as you want to, others are free to try and stop you from doing so. That is what makes Eve great.

You people whining that CCP made hisec to cater towards casual players are ridiculous. They created it because after a few years the game had LARGE GROUPS OF PLAYERS WITH YEARS OF TRAINING that could have blocked every new player from leaving the stations they spawn in. They would have has to randomize spawns and respawns to counter this. And since assets are left in station they would have also had to allow players to instantly teleport said assets to them. Is that the game you want? Call of Duty in space, complete with random spawns and keep inventory mechanics. There are a lot of things that can be done to improve this game, but removing hisec isn't one of them.

In the rare occasions in which CCP has delivered demographic data, that was it.

Let's say that I already said that you know the data on how many characters were logged in at hisec (67%), and you already have pulled the card that those are not actual players but hisec alts, and I already have reminded you that to a commuter the place where he works is more important than the place where he gets his mail.

The facts indicate that nullsec is small. The CFC haves only 35,000 members, out of a minimum of 400,000 and a maximum of 1.2 million (underestimating TQ population and overestimating Serenity population). Nullsec's largest events involve less than 10% of the players online at the moment. Nullsec population dwindles each time a alliance loses a war (how many TESTies did you know? How many are still playing? To me, it's 1 out of 3, and he's a Goon now).

And by any means, nullsec is the biggest population compared to lowsec and wormholes.

So the Big Guy of Nullsec, even when two giants clash, barely involves 10% of the server population. I will grant you that pilots in battle will keep their "hisec alts" logged in even as they battle (my, ain't me generous?) and then i will concede that half of nullsec population is not involved in such large battles. That would mean that nullsec would be 20% of the server population (or less, if they unlogged their "hisec alts"),

So we have accounted for 20% of the players, and everything else but hisec will have lower populations -quite lower, to be honest. But i am givign you every advantage: let's say that lowsec and wormholes account for 18% and 19% of population... that leaves hisec as not less than 43% of the population.

And I've been extremely generous. 60% is a realistic estimate on where do the players spend their time.

I realize you very likely don't have the time nor inclination, but please consider running for the next CSM.

no matter what you do, some just wont go, despite, they have their little bubble, they log in, do their thing, and log out, wont matter really... We try in CAS, to give free jump clones with rorq, help them move ships to null in jump freighters, at times we ewen give free T1 scrap buckets to splode on null roams, despite this, far from all will or ewen care, they have their little bubble, and i dont believe in forcing playstyles, thats definatly not EvE, but i definatly get what you mean !, ill keep suplying CAS null roams with ships, and help beginners, you do spark a light once in awhile ;P

My first character is from 2009, and this is an alt from early 2011 not 2012, way to not be able to check an employment history.

I'm actually a highsec player that does mainly PvE, and dabbles in trade and industry. You should really lay off of the name calling, it's most unbecoming, and tbh makes you look a bit daft.

You're doing exactly what you hate, whining on a forum because you don't like the way a games development appears to be going, I'll make it simple for you; CCP say that Eve is a dark, unforgiving and harsh environment as evidenced by the following quote, which btw doesn't exclude highsec :
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (in fact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon

You're right in one respect, there are ways of mitigating the risk of being ganked, if only more people would use them.

Gankers don't seem to do much whining about being blapped by Concord, they accept it as the cost of playing the way they want to play. Most of the whining in highsec comes from the people getting ganked, usually because they were afk or watching faptube while they mine in untanked ships, mission in loot pinatas or autopilot across the universe.

Denial and entitlement seem to be overwhelmingly evident amongst the whiners in Eve.

That's wonderfull... I'm sorry that my choice of words has upset you. Also, if this is mostly what you do, then why do seem to be advocating the disruption of the current high-sec meta?

You're either a moron as I stated previously, or just a really bad troll.



I'm not whining about anything. I'm stating that a large portion of the people replying to this topic are trolls, and have no idea what makes EVE as successful as it is. Also, notice that there is no "high-security space is dark, unforgiving, harsh" included in CCP Solomons statement.

Without being able to understand why you would say that you are a PVE, Industry directed player, and then advocate the disruption of high-sec, I see no point in continuing a rhetoric with you.

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Beside the bad trolling in this thread, there is something else I would like to point out.

There is one major problem with this game, mechanically, that really never seems to get driven home to CCP, and following a solution, would open a lot of options for smaller entities. Here it is:

Why is it that SUPER POWERBLOC COALITIONS are allowed to exploit the one major defect in this game that needs serious attention. Filling up a system until the node its running on crashes in the event that you might be getting the **** kicked out of you in a fight. I don't get why this continues to happen. Its stagnated null-sec and created huge power-vacuums which wouldn't exist otherwise.

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Now with that said, can you actually see how this whole topic is trivial and really deserves no attention? There is nothing wrong with the current high-sec meta, and the delegation of POCOs to player controlled entities is to mitigate the problem reguarding passive income from planetary interaction resources and the devaluation of ISK because of it (i.e. stop people from farming P.I. to finance their accounts with PLEX).

Go troll someone else, Tippia. We've had this discussion twice already and you still play semantics with data. If it's logged into hisec, then hisec it's relevant to it, be it a unique user or the 10,000th alt of The Mittani.

Too bad I don't troll.

No. I present facts. The fact of the matter is that no data has ever been released on where the players live or spend their time — only where the characters are parked.

The other fact is that, last any such data was presented, the character distribution was trending away from highsec. You can start calling people names all you like, and you can start building huge fantasy castles out of unfounded assumptions, but those are the facts.

Beyond that, your supposed conclusions are no more valid that mine. At least mine use the absolute minimum amount of assumptions (i.e. one), rather than build layers upon layers of them the way you do to arrive at the conclusion you want.

The difference is that, if it's the 10,000th alt of Mittens, its player knows how to survive in null and would probably be fairly pleased if it could spend its time there rather than be forced into highsec because of imbalance mechanics. As such, rebalancing the different parts of space wouldn't be nearly as cataclysmic to him as the highsec whiners would hope…

…and that's just talking about the alts and doesn't include those of us who live in highsec and want to see it be balanced anyway even though it's supposed to be bad for us.

I would like to ruin your day by asking my client the docking commander to prevent you from undocking for the next 30 minutes with the excuse of a security check of your ship.

Right when you had to be FC for a fleet op.

And I didn't even had to undock to achieve that kind of power.

Of course, by exposing him as my client, you may try and have him killed to undermine me. But, alas!, nothing comes for free in this dark unforgiving harsh game of exploding a lone red cross with some help from 20 friends.