EVE General Discussion

Just read your newbie skill plan and there's something I'm missing. I miss a lot - there's always something to learn in EVE.

If I join the goons, go to null, and become a tackler for them, where's the ISK?

Make 1.0 to 0.6 no mining zone ... make 0.5 to 0.0 and lower the only place that happens.

Keep CONCORD in 1.0 to 0.7. CONCORD only covers its space, with Faction Navy/Police covering their own.

L2 missions in 1.0 to 0.7 space.
L3 missions in 0.6 to 0.4 space.
L4 missions 0.3 to 0.1 space.
L5 missions 0.0 and WH.

Reduce the size of Null by half to kill off all that wasted, un-used space.
Make renting null-sec space a bannable offense.
Rate SOV on a scale of 10-1. If you dont undock 50% of your corp per 48 hrs, you lose 2 points of SOV ... i.e. Use it or Lose it.
There is no Sec-Status repair once you go below -0.5.

Remove C1 and C2 WH space.

Everything is Player Owned except the current Trade Hubs.

Remove stabs from FW, using them inside plex is a bannable offense.
Once you join FW, it is permanent, you can only biomass your toon if you want out.

I think that pretty much covers the best way to make conflict the #1 thing in Eve.
We want player content, so lets go all the way ...

And the internal economy of that game would result in no one ever playing, unless, of course, CCP sold ISK directly to players for real cash. It would be the only way the vast majority of players would have any income.

Dinsdale is right (Note, you'll never see me say those words again lol) just not for the reasons he thinks.

The fact is, people are to damn lily-livered to risk their precious egos playing a game that's actually hard or unforgiving or that requires effort and thought. Most people just won't play that game.

I would play the EVE you describe, but then again I'm an adult male with a healthy level of testosterone who can keep video games in context and who will not just DIE if an imaginary spaceship of mine explodes.....

This is why most video games are made to let nerds believe they are a hero or championship level athlete, why most MMOS are themeparks that refuse to let players fail even when that player is terminally stupid, and why EVE Online (the coldest, harshest spaceship MMO ever) has a place called "High Sec" in the 1st place..

Then what you are saying is actually the only way to fix the problem of High-Sec ... create an environment what allows people who want a hard niche game to survive solely on PvP. I don't see Dim saying anything nor you to bring the harsh reality of Eve back into a purely PvP balance. New players (not alts) would make ISK right that follows right alongside combat, exploration and hauling skillpoint progression (you could sit in a ship, just not fly it well if you jumped to far ahead) and science and market players could fall right in lock step with corps to be able to ply their career paths. This does not take anything away from the game, it turns it back to its original intent ... PvP for PvPs sake.

Or you get adopted by a rich non-bittervet and completely subsidized while learning the game. We take the boring grind out of the game for you so you can learn what you like, then we help you figure out how to be self sufficient. You get rich, you adopt some :shobon: newbee, the cycle repeats. We really are the best newbee organization in EVE.

I play a lot and I have checked the 'where all ships are last 30 mins' a lot during my 8 months or so of playing EVE absolutely every time i have checked the result is always the same, highsec is light up like the sun because that is where all the ships are and low/null is virtually blacked out. Is your contention that this statistic that is generated by the game and there is ZERO doubt about its validity, that all those times i have checked are some kind of freak outliers and that in fact had i checked the other 99% of my game playing time that I would have found that almost all the ships were in fact in low and nullsec?

Hahahahaha ! (give up this battle while you're behind, it is where you are now and exactly where you will remain)

btw, if this isnt your contention please clarify exactly what you mean because embarrassing you on the forums is fun and im sure your follow up statement will be just as brain-dead stupid as this one.





Let's play your game and see where it gets us. I will grant you that 20% of all players are in low/null at any given moment; further, I'll be ridiculously generous and assume that absolutely EVERYONE in low and null at ALL TIMES has a high sec alt going whenever they are playing. Now, 20% in null plus another 20% null-alts in high sec leads to a maximum even with these ridiculously high assumed numbers that only 40% of the game is played by nullsec players and 60% are played by highsec players. Thank you for proving my point in that most of the games player base lives in high sec.

Let me give you a couple pointers on argumentation: 1) never give statistics that prove the other guys point of view and 2) Never contest against me in an argument because it is obvious that you have zero chance of winning based on the feeble attempts at arguments you have put forth already.

…but then, that's not an assumption anyone makes. The assumption is rather that, for every character parked in non-highsec during these censuses, that same player will have an alt parked in highsec as well.

…then we have 8% in lowsec, plus their highsec alts for another 16%, and finally 6% in w-space plus their highsec alts for a final 12% portion. In total 68%, which leaves 32% played by highsec players.

You mean the point you can only come to if you ignore two thirds of the data points? No, he did not prove that point. So here are a couple of pointers to you: 1) don't skip over most of the data; 2) don't presume that others have made the same error you have; 3) don't expose your failure so blatantly because it proves how feeble and unresearched all your arguments are in the face of actual facts.

*yawn* Just the same sort of stuff that I have heard many times before in other games. As for for unforgiveness, well EVE's death system is hardly different from many others I have played. Losing time, skillpoints, et cetera... yeah, those are in many other games. Permadeath would be unforgiving and EVE does not have it (can't think of any MMO that does have it, though some NWN servers I played did have permadeath with no resurrection available. THAT's unforgiving).

perma death is a stupid concept to make a game seem "hardcore" it adds nothing but annoyance to everyone, EVE does have some sort of perma death (losing SP) which is fine.