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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#281 - 2013-11-12 13:42:30 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Dinsdale's RMT.


You jest, but:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2013/09/13/friday-flashback-what-conspiracy-theorists-dont-want-you-to-know/#.UoIvSicnjTo

Quote:
We advance a new account of why people endorse conspiracy theories, arguing that individuals use the social-cognitive tool of projection when making social judgements about others. In two studies, we found that individuals were more likely to endorse conspiracy theories if they thought they would be willing, personally, to participate in the alleged conspiracies. Study 1 established an association between conspiracy beliefs and personal willingness to conspire, which fully mediated a relationship between Machiavellianism and conspiracy beliefs. In Study 2, participants primed with their own morality were less inclined than controls to endorse conspiracy theories – a finding fully mediated by personal willingness to conspire. These results suggest that some people think ‘they conspired’ because they think ‘I would conspire’.”


We all know he's the biggest conspiracy theorist on the forums (hell, according to his sig he seems to thing the Canadian government is out to get him). It wouldn't be surprising in the least if the guy doing the loudest unfounded accusations of RMTing was the biggest RMTer in the game......

Anyone know what kind of Car Dinsdale drives?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#282 - 2013-11-12 13:56:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
How selfish is it that you'd want to see that game changed expanded in some way to suit you?.


Edited for reality check. Roll

And yes, I am selfish. I would totally like to see even more people in hisec, staying forever, hooked by endgame content, and CCP piling 15 dollars per month and subscriber instead of only 10 as they do now, and from 1,000,000 subscribers instead of 500,000.

That would be best for my interests.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#283 - 2013-11-12 14:00:14 UTC
Bittersweet Badasaz wrote:


Please explain why you can't be bothered to look up the fact that for example WoW mentioned above started about the same time as Eve and is still going and that wasn't the point to begin with. Eve is one of my favorite kind of cult games and one of the most beautiful and unique games ever made and it's currently in danger.

The point was CCP has a flat player base and is going in the exact opposite direction that it needs to with it's current focus of alienating the new player base in favor of listening to veteran power blocks. The veterans will convince CCP to hand over more and more resources to them and give new players fewer and fewer playstyle choices other than to be a corporate cog in veteran power blocs. Most of you are all doing that quite nicely here. Only you won't have much of a game soon if you get your way.


The point is that if what you say is always true, why is EVE still here?

EVE isn't like other MMOs, so you can't use the same framework to judge it like you do these supposed MMOs you've worked on. Yes, EVE is a special case.

EVE has been turning off most people who have tried it since 2003, yet here it still is going strong at the end of 2013, because there are enough mentally tough gamers in this world that a few people every year have stuck with it after trying it and very many of those people are (like me) the kinds to stick to a game like this forever. EVE isn't the kind of game with will ever be super popular, but it will SURVIVE, and that means everything.

WoW is an outlier, no other MMO has been able to do what it has. And games that try to cater to "new players" simply suck. A GOOD game is a game that says "here it is, play or don't". A bad game is one that says "please play me, if you do I'll suck your #$%^".

Therefore EVE = pimp, other games = crackwhore.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#284 - 2013-11-12 14:03:58 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
How selfish is it that you'd want to see that game changed expanded in some way to suit you?.


Edited for reality check. Roll

And yes, I am selfish. I would totally like to see even more people in hisec, staying forever, hooked by endgame content, and CCP piling 15 dollars per month and subscriber instead of only 10 as they do now, and from 1,000,000 subscribers instead of 500,000.

That would be best for my interests.


Expanded is a euphemism for "turn this game into every other ghetto crappy mmo".

Sorry, NO. You want better content, leave safety.

And you can try that "appeal to CCPs wallet" all you like, but everyone with any sense knows it's in CCPs best long term interest to keep doing what they've been doing: developing a unique, high quality, enjoyable game experience for those of us who like it, which apparently excludes Ishtanchuk Fazmarai and his hateful ilk..
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#285 - 2013-11-12 14:17:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Varius Xeral]
We all know he's the biggest conspiracy theorist on the forums



Well, funny that.
Seems a lot more people are buying into my crackpot theories after last week's live events.
And let's see how tinfoil things are after Thursday's twitch announcements from the Ayn Rand fanatic.

I expect there will be a lot of gloating by the cartels, and a lot of shock from high sec players (though there should not be at this point).

Attack me all you want, but the fact is that every day, we see something more from CCP demonstrating their disdain of high sec, every release they chip away at its profitability and safety, every release they transfer more cash flow into the hands of the select few running the cartels.

And I can only imagine what tidbits as yet unknown to general masses are going to be discovered in the release notes for Rubicon.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#286 - 2013-11-12 14:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:

We all know he's the biggest conspiracy theorist on the forums



Well, funny that.
Seems a lot more people are buying into my crackpot theories after last week's live events.
And let's see how tinfoil things are after Thursday's twitch announcements from the Ayn Rand fanatic.


And yet you'll never quite peg to the fact that it's your skewed political worldview that is the problem, not CCP or some secret cabal controlling them.

Like all such crackpots, you scream and point "EVIDENCE" when something like the last live event happens, but can't fathom the fact that the very same event is likely to drive a spike in null alliance recruitment because people got a taste of the power of EVE (by exploding) and now want more.

At the heart of your perceptions is the false belief that most people will respond to stimuli like you would, when in fact you and your kind are a tiny (and self marginalizing) minority way outside the norms of behavior.

Quote:

I expect there will be a lot of gloating by the cartels, and a lot of shock from high sec players (though there should not be at this point).

Attack me all you want, but the fact is that every day, we see something more from CCP demonstrating their disdain of high sec, every release they chip away at its profitability and safety, every release they transfer more cash flow into the hands of the select few running the cartels.


Yea, like the addition of safeties, EHP buffs on mining ships, high sec incursions bring an unprecedented lvl of isk making to high sec not seen since the high sec lvl 5 bug was fixed etc etc?
As with all prejudiced and delusional players, you can see those things that don't benefit you, but are blind to the things that give you advantages.

[quote]
And I can only imagine what tidbits as yet unknown to general masses are going to be discovered in the release notes for Rubicon.


And when the general masses embrace Rubicon, High Sec not only persists but flourishes and EVE doesn't die, will it lead to you realizing that you are wrong about everything?

Rhetorical question, we all ready know the answer to the above is no...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#287 - 2013-11-12 14:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Attack me all you want, but the fact is that every day, we see something more from CCP demonstrating their disdain of high sec, every release they chip away at its profitability and safety, every release they transfer more cash flow into the hands of the select few running the cartels.
…and you have some actual examples of this, presumably?

Jenn aSide wrote:
At the heart of your perceptions is the false belief that most people will respond to stimuli like you would, when in fact you and your kind are a tiny (and self marginalizing) minority way outside the norms of behavior.
By the way, isn't there a term for this kind of behaviour? It's the tip of my tongue… some word that appears often when Dinsdale is around. Hmm.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#288 - 2013-11-12 14:30:41 UTC
Warning: Change approaching.

You will be okay.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#289 - 2013-11-12 14:41:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:


Jenn aSide wrote:
At the heart of your perceptions is the false belief that most people will respond to stimuli like you would, when in fact you and your kind are a tiny (and self marginalizing) minority way outside the norms of behavior.
By the way, isn't there a term for this kind of behaviour? It's the tip of my tongue… some word that appears often when Dinsdale is around. Hmm.


Socialite? No, that's Paris Hilton.

Socioeconomic? sociogram?

Damn, it's on the tip of my tongue too, it'll come to me later I'm sure. Cool
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#290 - 2013-11-12 14:44:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Attack me all you want, but the fact is that every day, we see something more from CCP demonstrating their disdain of high sec, every release they chip away at its profitability and safety, every release they transfer more cash flow into the hands of the select few running the cartels.
…and you have some actual examples of this, presumably?

clearly siphons

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#291 - 2013-11-12 14:44:31 UTC
I don't understand what's wrong with having high sec more dynamic, CCP aren't gonna destroy high sec they are just adding some fun mechanics so it stops being so "lifeless", bounty systems, pocos etc. if they would offer a way/pvp missions to hunt down pirates i'm sure that would be accepted by most lawful and unlawful citizen a like in new eden.

Every area in EVE has its niche, CCP aren't turning high sec into low or null they just want to change it into a better place, hell travelling in high sec would be extremely boring without a few gankers there..

But I would like to see these claims of too much ganking or how high sec is becoming more dangerous, i've been mining in the same system for 6 months and not 1 ganker has showed up (all while being afk) lol.. if anything, high sec is too safe.

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#292 - 2013-11-12 14:45:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tippia wrote:


Jenn aSide wrote:
At the heart of your perceptions is the false belief that most people will respond to stimuli like you would, when in fact you and your kind are a tiny (and self marginalizing) minority way outside the norms of behavior.
By the way, isn't there a term for this kind of behaviour? It's the tip of my tongue… some word that appears often when Dinsdale is around. Hmm.


Socialite? No, that's Paris Hilton.

Socioeconomic? sociogram?

Damn, it's on the tip of my tongue too, it'll come to me later I'm sure. Cool


Megalomaniac.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#293 - 2013-11-12 14:49:42 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
I don't understand what's wrong with having high sec more dynamic, CCP aren't gonna destroy high sec they are just adding some fun mechanics so it stops being so "lifeless", bounty systems, pocos etc. if they would offer a way/pvp missions to hunt down pirates i'm sure that would be accepted by most lawful and unlawful citizen a like in new eden.

Every area in EVE has its niche, CCP aren't turning high sec into low or null they just want to change it into a better place, hell travelling in high sec would be extremely boring without a few gankers there..

But I would like to see these claims of too much ganking or how high sec is becoming more dangerous, i've been mining in the same system for 6 months and not 1 ganker has showed up (all while being afk) lol.. if anything, high sec is too safe.


Well said.

Last night I undocked a Tengu from the Sister's station in Lannigisi and according to many high sec posters I should have gotten ganked right then. I didn't, and was dissapoint lol.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#294 - 2013-11-12 14:50:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
How selfish is it that you'd want to see that game changed expanded in some way to suit you?.


Edited for reality check. Roll

And yes, I am selfish. I would totally like to see even more people in hisec, staying forever, hooked by endgame content, and CCP piling 15 dollars per month and subscriber instead of only 10 as they do now, and from 1,000,000 subscribers instead of 500,000.

That would be best for my interests.


Expanded is a euphemism for "turn this game into every other ghetto crappy mmo".

Sorry, NO. You want better content, leave safety.

And you can try that "appeal to CCPs wallet" all you like, but everyone with any sense knows it's in CCPs best long term interest to keep doing what they've been doing: developing a unique, high quality, enjoyable game experience for those of us who like it, which apparently excludes Ishtanchuk Fazmarai and his hateful ilk..


Anyone who has followed me should already know that i don't like theme park MMOs and don't want theme park content for EVE. So, you're wrong on all accounts.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#295 - 2013-11-12 14:55:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Anyone who has followed me should already know that i don't like theme park MMOs and don't want theme park content for EVE. So, you're wrong on all accounts.


No, you just don't understand the commonly-accepted definition of the term you are using.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#296 - 2013-11-12 15:00:04 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Anyone who has followed me should already know that i don't like theme park MMOs and don't want theme park content for EVE. So, you're wrong on all accounts.


Then you understand that EVE is a niche game because most people like themeparks (mainly because having to think whuile playing a game sucks to them) and the only way to "expand" EVE Online the way you want is to create more themepark content right?

I'm sorry, anyone who lives in high sec (the themepark area of EVE, the main themepark feature being CONCORD with it's ability to discourage but not eliminate non-consensual pvp) and says they don't like themepark content is not being truthful.

And lastly, How can I be incorrect on all counts? I'm not the one spending my precious and finite time on this \Earth playing a video game I fundamentally dislike. That would be you lol.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#297 - 2013-11-12 15:58:17 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dinsdale rarely fails to make me feel ashamed and guilty that I will never be even 1% of the devious, dedicated, endlessly resourceful plotter that he has such unshakable faith that I am.

I love EVE, but I will never love it even remotely enough to justify his regard.


If I RMTed like he suggests I wouldn't have had to spend a thousand dollars on a car, because I'd be able to afford much better.


Oops


Troll away, troll away.
Nice thing that you can say whatever you like on the forums, with zero repercussions.

Too bad no one can check the veracity of your claims of whatever anyone says on the forums.
Have to split now..Scarlett Johansson just called.. Seems she had a tiff with boyfriend and wants some revenge sex.

See how that works?


What proof would you accept?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#298 - 2013-11-12 16:05:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
By the way, doing PI in lowsec is truly trivial and requires all of 5 seconds of exposure at the pick-up. The chances of being killed while doing that are pretty much nil.

Lower taxes, higher output, less crowding. There are quite literally no downsides to it… well, maybe the three weeks to get a Blockade Runner, but given the sheer usefulness of that class, I can't honestly call it a downside.


I have tried, but with 118 planets it takes 2 full freighters to empty them.
Not gonna even try with a smaller hauler I'd spend my days hauling.

Then I found out a little secret about certain hi sec planets PI and now... let's say I'd be stupid to do low sec PI again after having found that.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#299 - 2013-11-12 16:11:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I have tried, but with 118 planets it takes 2 full freighters to empty them.
It also requires 20 characters… so maybe it's not really a good point of comparison for a 2-month old highsec newbie. Blink
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#300 - 2013-11-12 16:20:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tippia wrote:
By the way, doing PI in lowsec is truly trivial and requires all of 5 seconds of exposure at the pick-up. The chances of being killed while doing that are pretty much nil.

Lower taxes, higher output, less crowding. There are quite literally no downsides to it… well, maybe the three weeks to get a Blockade Runner, but given the sheer usefulness of that class, I can't honestly call it a downside.


I have tried, but with 118 planets it takes 2 full freighters to empty them.
Not gonna even try with a smaller hauler I'd spend my days hauling.

Then I found out a little secret about certain hi sec planets PI and now... let's say I'd be stupid to do low sec PI again after having found that.


Would that little secret be a reason why CCP is handing the taxation revenue of high sec planets to null sec cartels?
Maybe the cartels figured out the same thing and successfully lobbied CCP to hand over the income streams to them?
Would that little secret involve barren planets?