Warfare & Tactics

Cloak ships are similar to submarines in modern warfare and in modern warfare exists several platforms in combination that can counter submarines. I think a fun activity to add to the game would be an option to hunt cloaked ships.

To make this work and increase the barrier entry into this occupation I would suggest making it a team activity with multiple pilots being required to triangulate the ships location. The cloaked ship maintains the option of always relocating and disrupting the locating process of their opposition. This would create another activity that players could do and in trade possibly earn ISK through other players. It would most certaintly change strategies in the game. Thoughts?

*Adding Nullified*

No. Just no.

This looks like a covert "AFK cloaker solution" thread.

It's almost like a, cloaked "AFK cloaker solution" thread. . .

Posting in yet another nerf afk cloak tears montage

I think people just come around to post things like it everytime they receive a drop from a black ops fleet.

LoL

P.S.: This tear collecting moto is so overused that is almost reaching the overratedness.

Short answer: As long as local provides perfect intel, cloaks basically must persist as-is, as long term cloaking is the only mechanism that even vaguely counters the flawless intelligence system of local.

Quash local and you could maybe start talking about cloaks.

Additionally, regarding this:



Your ideas are not new and have been shot down for myriad reasons in the past. Nobody is obligated (nor particularly inclined) to furnish a reasoned response to the same ****** idea the fiftieth time it has been proposed. Do your homework first and you will not have this problem.

CCP moto on development is crab development, going sideways to reach forwards.

People asking non-sense is nothing new, indeed. People are even asking to make easier for a one person corp to take sov. What in heavens name tells someone that it is wise to make mechanics to deliver sov to a one person corp ? A whole system to a couple of alts ?

Cloaking non-sense is already bearing fruit, as covert ops cloak able ships were both nerfed and never really an option alone for less than a excellent covert ops pilot. Local thing is a pain for low sec covert ops pilots, indeed, but the worse is the changes they made that makes covert ops ships very easy to spot. We are on the mercy of a frigate with nothing more than a couple alts or friends and a combat scanning, While once found, our ships are not a match for a much easier on trainning ship to kill us.

The only exception is the industrial covert ship, the blockade runner, which is possible to be good fitted for its role, use covert cloaks, and also warp strong to just pass by those strategic cruiser nutshaving a ship that doesnt even need RL skill to be a threat for others.

The thing is, to worth its salt, covert ops pilots must be good, better than strategic cruiser wannabe pirates, and it is not cloak or ingame skill that makes cloakers good, it is the pilot that dare choose that way, usually a person with a inquisitive and creative mind who seek activelly new strategies and careful thought moves, contrary to the ones who choose gun boats which are mostly driven by a headless sense of "I want to see things blowing up and shoot people on the face to collect tears I cant even know if they shed".

So, as long as cloak exists, and serve its purpose, trigger happy headless nuts will be shedding tears when a drop of widows come to redeem them from their sins. (lol)

Won't pretend to be Jane's in this topic of submarine capability, but if true then there will certainly be a counter developed in time as always with the never ending arms's race of mankind. As to being able to counter an engaging cloaked pilot yes once they are decloaked you are able to counter their capabilities, but a good cloaked pilots (in combination w/ local) have a significant advantage in determine the terms of engagement which contribute to the harder aspects of countering them which I don't believe should be changed, but just stating. However they should not be able to earn intel or any advantage without continuous risk as any undocked activity should include. We would not tolerate a miner, ratter, or any other activity in space where they would be immune from being located so why should the cloaked pilot be the only exception.

We know, dear. We know.




Exactly. The real problem here is that you can tell someone is in the system. Fix that, and cloaking is no longer problematic.