Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Look, stop and think for a second. The single Incursus is dying much more quickly than previously, so you have more chance of getting away.

With two Incursuses, if you can kill them before reloading, then again you have more chance of getting away than before. The model suggested 25 s to kill each one, which means that a reload would necessary, but it's sufficiently close that skills can make the difference.



No, it's 28,065 EHP to Void, with overloaded Invuln of course. I didn't bother trying to account for passive regen though, but it's not 88 DPS peak anyway. Edit - to Omni it's 27.2k, but since we were talking about Incursuses I used Void.

[Caracal, AML]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Precision Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x2

I do wish I had perfect skills as everyone here seems to. My caracal with the skills as above, plus all shield skills to 4, 23kEHP, with scram and AB (can't fit MWD due to higher fitting of RLML's) &192 dps..

Prior to Rubicon I could reasonably and confidently fly a caracal with my skills, now I can't.

As I said in a previous post.. If you have max skills RLML caracal may work for you, if not.. Don't fly it alone as you will die.

NB; According to EveHq skill planner, it will be 11 months 6 days before I can fly a caracal with the stats you guys are all talking about. So i have to spend the next year being a victim on someone else's killboard ? Or cross train, that is a shame

Could it be that Rise thinks only of level 5 PvP-ers, being more Kil2 in his mind than CCP game designer? Idk, more often than not it feels like he doesn't even see newbies as being part of EvE. Perfect skills to fly RLML T1 cruiser, I mean come on...

Do you think the incursus will always be allV too ?

Pick your targets by checking their history before ; and fly a frigate if you don't have skills for a cruiser.

Balance must be made with allV skillsn because that's what people who abuse the things will have.

IMO, when a ship is able to warp in alone, sit there, press F1 and farm frigate killmails, it's absurdly OP ; and even more if it require no skills to do it. Remember there is someone too in the ship you are shooting, and he'd like to kill you too. Also remember that you are asking a ship to be a no match against TWO ships, not one but TWO ! You should be happy to safely kill one by only pressing F1.

So you are basing your balance suggestions out of one of the tankiest frig in game, fitted for full tank, with tanking links, and an AB which is a counter to missiles. And you are complaining that a full tank Caracal struggle to kill such a frigate while he made absolutely nothing to compensate for everything the incursus did ?

Also notice that the said incursus will *never* catch your Caracal unless you make a mistake, because you are about twice as fast as he is.

Also, you can use some drugs too with the caracal to counter the AB. Drugs work in both ways.

Stop being stupid and lazy please.

Read again please. I was talking about the max DPS to frigates Caracal, the one with web, rigor rig and overheated
launchers. Like the new Caracal, the Incursus setup + gang boost is a normal thing, not something ridiculous like fitting very expensive implants or modules. It's just standard T2 fit.

Rip Caracal

Oh, So I understand now why you felt the need to add the fleet booster and drugs to the frigate pilot. I guess the incursus wouldn't live long enough for RLML to be ineffective if you don't add fleet boosters and drugs.

It's far, far easier to be all V in respect to avoiding missile damage than it is to be all V in respect to dealing it, at least with missiles bigger than light missiles. Signature radius is not affected by skills. For shield tankers, as long as you have Navigation and Acceleration Control at V, missile damage is minimized. You need no other skills. Armor tankers need the compensation skills and honeycombing, but V versus IV in these skills is an absurdly tiny effect.

On the other hand, missile support skills are absolutely massive in importance. Target Navigation Prediction is 10% damage/level until you reach the EFT paper DPS numbers for those missiles. With anything bigger than light missiles, this almost never happens. Guided Missile Precision V is also a 6.66% damage increase over Guided Missile Precision IV. For comparison, Racial Turret V is only a 4.16% damage increase over Racial Turret IV. Then on top of that you of course need the support skills that just relate to pure damage as well.

At least, all that is true for HMLs, HAMs, and up. With lights? You don't even care about TNP and GMP. You can have them at I, you'll still do full DPS to everything except maybe interceptors which will still pop in seconds.

Rapid Missile Launcher Issues and Fix

The issues rapid launchers have are
1. They have amazing range, with the ability to do what close range guns and missiles and long range guns and missiles do in one.
2. Rapid launchers take far less CPU and PG than their counterparts, which in turn makes the ships using them have amazing tanks.
3. They are a weapon system designed to work against smaller targets, while they do this; they also work just as well against targets of the same size, and sometimes even larger targets.

How to fix these issues
1. Have rapids use rockets and heavy assault missiles. This would fix the range issue and still give enough range for good PvP. Rapid rocket launchers would be able to hit to 10km to 20km or more depending bonuses, rigs, and missile type. Rapid heavy assault missile launchers would hit 20km to 40km depending on all the same things.
2. Have their CPU and power grip increased slightly, but not as much as HAMs or HMLs, or as much as Torps or Cruise, but closer to their numbers. This would make it so ships using rapid launchers won't be able to fit unreal tanks, but still be able to fit "good" tanks.
3. They would need to have their rate of fire increased anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds to make sure they aren’t so effective against ships of the same size or larger.
4. Ships that use them Cruisers, Battlesruisers, and Battleships would need any bonuses they give to explosion radius or velocity not applied to rapid launchers.
5. Also the T2 missiles for rockets and heavy assault missiles will not make them OP like the T2 missiles did for heavy missiles and light missiles. As one is for higher damage at having less range and increased explosion radius and decreased explosion velocity and the other adds range at less damage.

I believe this would fix a great deal of issues with rapids. It would need to be tested on SiSi, and adjusted as needed, but it would work. Also remember missiles need to be looked at for rebalance. I’d say HAMs need explosion radius and explosion velocity adjusted 10% to 15% to help them engage targets of the same size better. HMLs need relooked at all together. Defenders need replaces with a flare type defense, like combat planes today use, FoF, I don't know they just suck.

Or we can keep 40secs reload, up to you.