Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I love how they keep linking this thread in dev blogs despite the fact that they have completely ignored it for over a week.

Ahahahaha, this actually went live. Way to go, CCP. Thanks for making my Tengu do 360 dps to interceptors, lol. That's certainly one approach to "nerfing."

Yeah, they are nice now when you're shooting untanked frigates. Sadly things change for the worse when you start shooting tanked frigates.

Insinuating that newbies can't do missions in just about anything. PVE in this game is way way way too easy.

That's theoretical EFT overheated DPS with Fury ammo against a static target.

I suggest you to go play with them first. Go Caracal solo against T1 AB + tank frigs. No need to try T2. Kill that frig with 1 load of ammo. Incursus will tank you with ease with two overheated repps; you will not kill it with a full load of ammo - that means that he can hold you for his friends. His overheated alternating repps cycle faster than your ROF.

Caracal fitted with 3 BCU II, 5 RLML II and fury nova ammo will do 145 overheated EFT DPS against an Incursus fitted with T2 afterburner, 2 small repp II, DC II, ENAM II, 2 aux nano pumps rigs and 1 armor explosive rig, while the Incursus is orbiting the Caracal. Caldari Nova would be better to use with 209 theroetical DPS (all level 5). But still not enough. The Incursus is tanking 205 DPS against that Caracal.

No, that's applied DPS to an afterburner-fit, 400mm plated Wolf doing 100% of its top speed (843m/s with all V's) vs my Tengu (with my skills) that has six bonused RLMLs, 2 BCSes and a web whilst shooting Scourge precisions. It applies literally 100% of its theoretical dps (458 unheated) within 19km, and still applies 357 dps beyond that out to its max range of ~30km. If you max out your missile skills, the ship does 469 dps to that Wolf in web range, and 365 dps to max range.

While we're on the topic of overheated fury DPS though, try seven hundred and seventy with all V's (still does 754 with my skills) to anything bigger than a frigate (while shooting a Vagabond, for example, this equates to 230 more applied DPS than HAMs WITHIN WEB RANGE and 396 more DPS if the target is un-webbd). You're still best off with precisions when shooting frigates and inties, though.

P.S.: The AB, armor Wolf is a best-case scenario-- a faster, shield-tanked MWD Jag fares even worse, taking full damage inside webrange and 411 dps outside web range. Even running best-case numbers (un-webbed, ABing armor Wolf) you're still looking at having to absorb 14,600 raw damage in 40 seconds before the Tengu goes on reload (Hint: that's more damage than you get in EHP even with a 400mm T2 plate, 2x T2 EANMs and 2x trimarks on a Wolf). Have fun trying to tank these things in any frigate hull without stacking only kinetic resists. Maybe Gallente assault frigates can do it, but not much else will.

tl;dr: Rise was not content with the old RLMLs "eclipsing" HAMs and heavies for many applications, so he gave them a huge DPS increase with the only downside being the reload for people who regularly get into fights that last more than 40 seconds. Since any coordinated fleet can simply do drivebys (warp in, unload a magazine, warp fleet off to reload) and tons of small-gang fights are over in under 40 seconds period, the only people that this "downside" really affects are non-suicidal soloists and people who'd want to use RLMLs for PvE (the only usages where sustained DPS is really important). The new RLMLs are incredibly overpowered and completely eclipse HAMs and heavies for any scenario where you don't need to use extreme range or the ability to stay on grid fighting for more than 40 seconds at a time.

I have this distinct feeling that we're going to see a Light Missile nerf very soon.

I didn't say a Light Missile Launcher nerf.

Yeah man, Tengu is a very nice weapon platform, no argue about it. But on the Caracal, the new RML's are not doing very well atm. The only choice one now has it to fit that Caracal to kill only 1 (max 2) frigates at a time because you will need to drop 1 LSE for a web so bye bye tank, no more cruiser fights.

I know, just with RLMLs being less effective... What purpose would a further light missile nerf serve?