Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With good skills and implants 3 BCS LML Cerb using Scourge Precision will do 300+dps to frigs (100% applied damage having web and scram). 1 LSE for 24k EHP and one XLASB for 670dps tank. I think they need to nerf light missiles as such, at least 50% or delete them entirely. Too powerful

worse, I'm a freakin carebear and I can see it coming.

Im going to have to agree that rise is certainly attempting to sell the rlm change. Downplaying the disadvantages as 'not a deal breaker' or nonexistant 'who even bothers using fofs?' while pushing ideas like 'youll do far more spike damage' and 'the 40 second reload creates tension and interesting gameplay' while ignoring how easily this can be manipulated with 'its ok just split your guns' is absolutely cringeworthy.

If you want to nerf rlm, increase its power grid requirements, this means that rlm boats will be forced to have less tank in exchange for better applied damage. This change only pushs rlms close to nonviability in fights against more than one or two ships especially when compared to anything else. People will simple use standard missile launchers instead, which by itself points out how hysterically bad the current missile damage algorithm is. I can't really think of any cruiser that is forced into using frigate modules in order to actually respond to anything smaller than a cruiser. With this change however, it is likely to happen.

Perhaps this stems from the perception that small gangs and solo should only function on a hit and run basis, being unable to engage larger groups for any extended amount of time. I dislike this perception because the benefit of having a small gang is its ability to tie up the larger force, meaning it has to either respond to you in some way or slowly lose ships. Having a 40 second reload merely means the ship might as well not even be on grid while reloading and does not pose any large threat to multiple ships. Omen, thorax, and rupture however have the ability to switch targets without any worry of 'uh I don't have enough ammo to kill that without reloading I may have just uselessly wasted my entire clip and will soon be useless for nearly a minute' and can do a much higher 'sustained' damage when compared to the proposed rlms when you split weapons.

So by comparison there is no reason to use the proposed rlms outside of very specific situations where even then any other weapon system would still match and potentially be more effective. Considering that you can increase powergrid requirement as I have previously stated and make rlm boats easier to deal with on the field since they likely wont have as much tank, this proposed change is bad, especially when you combine it with the fact that the majority of newer players will be unable to quickly train into a weapon system that is viable in an extended engagement which seems unfair.

In 40s, the entire field can change. Being unable to react to change just means you are flying a crippled ship and should find something else.

Considering damage application, the dps loss is not that much compared to HAM to shoot attack cruisers, and compensated by the lower fitting which allow the Caracal for example to fit the tank of a regular combat cruiser. That make it the ultimate anti-frigate platform and a tough and fast cruiser at the same time.

@Michael Harari : you should know better how hard it is to get an even fight, as even when the opportunity come one side often flee for many reasons going from fear to lack of intel.

PS : and as Rise said, if the 40s reload **** you off that much, just make two groups of your guns, so you'll have the same dps as before (minus the nerf), no front loaded dps and you won't wait for the reload. If you can't understand that, there's nothing to do for your poor mind.

clearly good player whos input on pvp should be valued

Haha, who cares ?

But yes, TIPIAK don't fear to wipe a fleet out. You can look at the killboard if you have that many time to lose. FYI, I do have been in some fair fights.

But if you are relegated to killboard epeen as argument, you are a lot worse than what I expected.

You can't be serious Genos are often fighting outnumbered and outgunned - everyone knows that.

You understand something when you are able to explain it. You can be good at something and don't understand it ; and you can understand something without being good at it.

And "not good enough killboard" is not an argument, except for the lazy and the stupids.

BTW, CCP Rise and Fozzy (and certainly some others too) have a lot of pvp experience, yet people deny them it only because of their tag, so really, nobody here actually care about pvp experience or actual global vision of the game and the killboard argument is only a way to dishonnor someone and don't have to bother arguing with him. Forum pvp 101, alias Troll initiation lvl1.

PS : and i'll put that simply, because people don't really understand this I think. Consider two RLML with no dps difference between the two (I explain here the burst dps thing and discard the dps nerf) :
- case 1 : RLML with standard reload time : X dps over 70s + 10s reload = Xdps over 80s ;
- case 2 : RLML with front loaded (burst) dps : X*2 dps over 40s + 40s reload = Xdps over 80s.
Not considering the dps nerf, the front loaded dps thing can actually be canceled if you divide your guns in two groups. That way, you retain the old functionality of sustain dps, but you also have a new functionality of burst dps if you need it.

What he did on more than several occasions and not only he. Don't you think that explanation provided by Dalikah is a valid one? Here, you can even take a look at her KB, perhaps it will be somewhat closer to your expectations:
https://zkillboard.com/character/839855307/