Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please let me explain, I see in RLM primarily a weapon system to clear tackle (which is fast cruisers/HACs/frigs/ceptors) - and since they are generally moving pretty quickly, I usually use navy right away to avoid the 10sec reload if suddenly something really small lands close to me.

As such, clearing tackle off the other ships (for example fragile stuff like oracles/artynados) is imo way more important than the ability to shoot down a cruiser before reloading - a field of activity which is vastly enhanced by the ability to push out the same dps in little more than half the time.

The downside stated by chessur was the 40sec downtime in missile dps - now you can equalize that for the most part by splitting your launchers. It obviously is an ugly solution, but it is a solution to the dilemma of constantly applied dps. As Chessur pointed out, 90% dps in 50% the time is a terribly unusable thing comparing it to 10% more damage applied in twice the time, a statement I don't support. Higher burst is better - pls tell me in which cases applying a little more damage over a way longer interval beats burst damage, especially in a hit'n'run config.

One of the main points was that insane downtime, comparable to two jamcycles... I see it from another perspective: If there is jams on grid, my drastically increased RoF will now allow me to get more damage applied in between jamcycles, if they got jams within 50-70km projected onto me, jams are rather unlikely to miss, so I can just use those extremely long jamcycles to finish my extremely long reload while being without locks anyways. That is the main reason I cannot see the change in dps/no-dps times being an overwhelming issue and completely breaking.

Chessur linked his videos of him killing things in a NOsprey on the forums, and as I wanted to know what he was talking about, I ofc cheked them out, what I saw though was standard kiting in fast, linked ships against unorganized groups trying to get warp-ins/tackle on him with frigs and cruisers. Hinting that those actions weren't possible with those changes is simply not true.

You generally cannot warp out and warp back when fighting inside a plex, unless your side is the one sitting on the warpin.

People complain about arty fire rate all the time. Its why we now have rail nullblobs instead of arty.

You dont need or want frontloaded dps against tackle. What you want is the ability to kill the frigate scramming your fleetmate now, instead of in 30s. The entire goddamn point is that it is consistent, applied dps. If you wanted to sometimes volley a frigate and sometimes do nothing, you could just sit in an oracle 50km behind your fleet.

I strongly believe that links are a kewl idea that frequently disrupt the gameplay, though with ongridlinks them being actually targetable and normally commiting to fitting sacrifices, I doubt they'd be as annoying as the current invisible links. You can also just neut them out when within range :P

also i would like to suggests that rlml's aren't op


LML's are op, rlml's just inherit that.


Hit with bat please.

Personally, I think this change works out very well for what it's intended to do.

It no longer means that RLML are the best weapon system for cruisers by default without any competition, but instead pushes them to a new role and new feel which really hasnt been seen before. I think it's a buff in a lot of cases, especially for a smaller roaming gang of 5 caracals/sfi or something, with the new RLML they can absolutely shred a couple ships and then kite away under reload.

Sure it makes them weaker over extended periods of time, but I would certainly like to see how these play out in practice on the real server.

I think I would agree that it should be 10s reload when the launcher is full though to make changing ammo types not completely unviable (if this is even possible with eve code)

These RLML will kill tackle twice as fast as before !

If you want prolonged and steady dps, HML will do it, or a destroyer, you know, the ships whose the role is to destroy frigates. Dictor have been horribly buffed BTW.

Oh, and your last sentence is interesting, because you are implying that larger ships are not interesting only because of the boring gameplay of large weapons, which is stupid.

I don't even see these RLML as nerfed considering the dps they will have before reload. I'm actually puzzled as people can't understand the advantage of removing the first frigates twice as fast as before. Bye Bye all active tanked frigate. Even twin MASB frigate tank will collapse under the fire of these RLML.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think these new RLML will be as OP as before and the solution is Garviel's one : just nerf light missiles and everything will be fine.

It will be definitely more interesting than rapid launchers that are now. And I like the idea of really long recharge and burst dps.

10% damage bonus is significat. But on top of that, explosion radius have been reduced by 20%, and LML received huge fitting buff. But that's still a direct buff to RLML, and a huge one.

Light missiles have been insanely buffed as some kind of forgiveness for the needed HML nerf.

And HAM are still very powerful, and HML are now a long range weapon as it should be. But you can't ask a weapon with 30km range to be as powerful as blasters.