Player Features and Ideas Discussion

and here we get a problem if we consider that heavys might get buffed in some time keeping that absurd rate of fire will require tweaking or even once again remaking those launchers to not create a burst dps monster system

Hey, let's not get crazy now… Leggo my rate of fire bonus. Have you seen that puppy with Battleship-V and 5 ballistic controllers?

Acutually in the 1.1 itteration where is the buff compared to guns? i mean with the TP changes now only giving the bonuses to overheat, the fact that due to low cycle time, and the generally less usefull situation where overheating truelly matters, the 15% bonus to tracking computers that guns have potentially outscales the missile buff.

CCP Rise, any update on what we might expect for Rubicon 1.1 with RLMLs and RHMLs? It would be have a bit of head's up so we can get you some feedback before it goes live at the end of January. A 55% bump in ammunition capacity would be preferable, but I'm not opposed to a 20-second reload (or some combination thereof). Thanks.

You keep saying that... but I've yet to see your proposal(s) put forward. Come up with a better idea and I'll gladly get behind it. Right now I've suggested three:

1. Buff ammunition capacity to RLML and RHMLs by 55.5%.
2. Reduce the reload time to 20-seconds (or some combination with #1).
3. Return RLMLs and RHMLs to their Odyssey/pre-Rubicon iterations, and adjust ammunition capacity to the same as proposed in #1 (RLML = 28/T2, RHML = 36/T2).

I've highlighted which is the general player preference, even though this is probably the least realistic out of the three suggestions. My personal preference is #1, because more ammunition capacity negates a longer reload time and is preferable to a 10 or 20-second reload reduction.

At this point I'll take anything...

The numbers and charts I posted show that a 55.5% ammunition bump is still less overall DPS than the original RLMLs and RHMLs, so why isn't it realistic? All three scenarios address the one current stumbling block with RLMLs and RHMLs: implementation of faster ammunition swaps.

I can't believe that CCP Rise would add insult to injury with the scenario you propose... CCP Rise, any comment?

Next to these ideas a few options for the future adresses rapid missile launchers as a unique weapons system

1) Additional skill that reduces the reload time of Rapid launchers

A 5 or 10% reduction in reload time for rapid launchers skill, increasing the rapid launchers effectiveness on a skillpoint scaleable level, wich not only benefit current players but also future players

2) Additional stats on the Rapid Launchers, Meta level flexibility to reload time, and or ammo load

This allows meta and TII variants of rapid launchers affect varius stats. Eg a Meta 0 starts with the current 40 second reload time, a Meta 4 has a 36 second reload time This would also allow tweaking its performance, not only by rate of fire (Burst dps) but also reload time (Sustained dps) makeing some meta / faction or officer variants excell in either burst, or sustained, or both.
Certain Meta levels haveing higher or lower ammo capacity can also severly benefit and the weapon selection.

Eg Should i choose the Meta level with 50% increased capacity, allowing more total damage to be applied, and thus able to kill larger targets before i have to reload, or should i choose the meta with a 20 second reload time but a verry limited amount of ammo, allowing me to relatively quickly change ammo type, and kill single frigates, but lose dps against cruisers?

3) Modules that alter the reload time of Rapid launchers

Eg if you have a Rig that has an absolute (eg -2 second reload time) or percentile (eg 10%) reduction in reload time.

4) New (Rapid) missile types

Missile excluseively designed for Rapid missiles, allows to better tweak damage application, damage projection, and damage types for rapid launchers. These missiles can then be used instead of, or in conjunction with standard missiles for its type.

Still problems with the damage projection/application of Rapid Light missile system, make the new generic rapid missile wich is a mix between the heavy and the light missile, allowing for more tweaking again.

Also you can "solve" a reload problem by makeing a generic all round damage type (25% of each damage type) missile that people choose to bypass choices they have to make on wich damage type to bring. On single damage bonus hulls like the Cerberus this would mean that only that part of the damage gets buffed. But more importantly this is probably a faster and less invasive way to by pass current reload issues for damage type selection. You can even make race flavored versions that have a selection of damage types EG Caldari, Primary damage type Kin (70% Kin), secondary damage type Therm (30% Therm) or even a multitude there off; EG Minmater, Primary Damage type Expl (55% Expl) with Secondary damage types EM and Kin (30% kin 15% Em)

Im talking about specific ammunition for Rapid missiles, I don't know what CCP has exactly planned, but i am getting a sense that they aren't content with the fact they just shoot one tier down missiles. Yes they like the idea of a missile system designed for hitting smaller targets, but they don't want them to be "ultimate" smaller target killers.

Designing a missile specificly to be used for Rapid missile systems would solve a lot of problems. The'll have there own speed, flight time, explosion velocity, explosion radius and damage, wich allows them to get the stats to what they envision as optimum for this kind of weapon, without haveing to revisit every ship, make weird adjustments to the current missiles or launchers just to make them perform adequatly.

They would have a system that differentiate in roles from eg a Light missile Corax between a Rapid missile Caracal. (in this example the corax beeing designed to take out frigates, and the Rapid missile to take out the smalles size cruisers and / or destroyers, while haveing a slightly harder time to take out frigates then said Corax.

For the purpose of High burst, long reload, a new missile is also beneficial, since you can opt to make missiles that have multiflavored damage types, wich coincides with the gun type patterns. A big concern with longer reload times, is the fact that you can't switch damage types if needed. With a dual Triple or Omni damage type missile that concern is lessened.

Additionally This would allow ships to benefit all of their bonuses to include the Rapid missile launcher. With a new Rapid missile ammunition, the Typhoon can transfer its awesome Explosion velocity bonus to this new Missile, wich with proper tweaking then behaves exactly as the current heavy missile, but on the Raven it would convey its Equally (awesome) Velocity bonus Allowing longer range, but slightly less damage application. In essence that would make the ship feel like a typhoon, or raven, or (insert other favorite ship) with all missile options, instead of a full fledged typhoon for Cruise and Torps, and a halfbaked one with rapid heavy

As we all anxiously await an update…

yup its about time to hear smt