Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To be fair though, in PVE everything flies towards you once aggroed so it's not really an issue.

The TP "Buff" in reality is a nerf, since its base value is dropped by 10%.

In any regards, against similar sized (eg medium sized ship with medium sized missile) you still need 2 target painters, and then it doesn't matter if its with the reduced -10%, its current value or its +8% increased value. Overheating in this case has little or no effect.

The difference starts when your trying to shoot smaller stuff (Eg frigates with Heavy missiles) Because of the ratio of Required Sig radius to actual sig radius the +8% of overheated, does little or no effect vs the -10%. In overall use there both aproximatly 1% of current values. So yes, for the duration you can overheat you do 1% more damage application, for all the time that you can't you do 1% less.

Target Painters have a 5 second cycle time. That means that they will have a verry high Heat to duration time, wich fixes the overheat time to a verry limited time.

10 seconds of overheating probably already causes damage to it, 1 minute or more, probably made one or more midslot modules burn out. And thats not even considering overheating with a Mwd, or Point, scram or web next to your target painter.

In effect theres really a verry small margin in PvP where you truelly benefit from overheating it.

So, with that explained, you have the -10% reduced stats while not overheating, combine that with the fact that tracking computers (a gun only module) gets a +15% (Yes double in effect that the actuall targetpainter) bonus while overheating, with no reduction of its base statistics. You get a better value, allowing for more range, or better tracking, outscaleing the gun even more in comparison to missiles, with no drawback.

A last thing to remember is that Tracking Computers in comparison to Target painters have a really long cycle time. This means that they generate relatively low amounts of heat for the duration that there overheating.

"There's no turning back..."

I hope you know there isn't a chance in hell of that happening.

I think what CCP looks for is you to actually sit down and create a compelling case for your argument. It should include an opening statement and the direction for the rest of your case. Following this is your interpretation of the current balance supported by statistical evidence and possibly with opinion pieces from respected members of the PVP community. Then you make your case for the changes you would like to see including actual statblock changes, the anticipated effects on the game balance and possibly include a few endorsements by PVP players. Finish your address to CCP with references to balance of the game particularly ensure that you refer back to your opening address and your balance analysis. Your closing statement should have a confident atmosphere and one that encourages feedback.

Do not include disclaimers, any kind of reference to uncertainty or have inadequate statistical evidence --- these will weaken your case beyond repair.

Remember that you are changing a fundamental weapon system with no direct comparison anywhere, you need to get your case right the first time.

Scroll back and read through any of my proposals. Including charts.

So post 1.1 I can overheat my TC's to improve turret application, but I still have no mid slot missile mod? I am totally and utterly un-surprised.

The joke was it's too much effort for the average player and involves information that is too hard to acquire.

Usage has dropped by 40% which is within "anticipated levels and acceptable boundaries" or someshit. In other words they wanted to kill a brand new weapons system before it even happened.

Hell, I don't even care that you can OH them. I'll just work around the nerf, and keep using my midslot heat allotment for propmods and tackle like always. It'll be a rare day at all that I ever OH on a dedicated ewar ship; those mods are my job, and they need to be available until I'm down or we leave the field. I can't afford to 'oops' burn them out in a fleet, since others are depending on them.

I'd be curious to see what drone sales have been during the same timeframe...