Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What are the usage stats now? Haven't even undocked a rapid launcher ship since the nerf.

Might as well have just deleted them...

Haha ! You can talk about a narrow minded point of view indeed !

The only destroyers with not too harsh fitting and speed are the minmatar ones. But again, if minmatar are always better than caldari, why don't you fly minmatar instead of whining ? No destroyer but minmatar ones is fast unless you don't tank them ; and no destroyer is easy to fit unless you don't tank them. How is the Corax different ?

The problem is that you are asking for a Caldari hull to be a minmatar hull. That will never work.

Yeah, because a spcialized niche anti-frigate weapon obviously need to be in the top twenty used weapons to show any sign of usefullness...

RLML was an OP weapon system, overpowering a whole class of ships and all same size missile launchers.

Now it is indeed a specialized niche anti-frigate weapon, and some people who tryed correctly managed to actually kill stuff with it.

The difference with before is that you can't just blindly warp in a fleet of a dozen frigates and kill half of them without even trying. You now need to have some awareness about what is around you and coming and actually work for your solo kill by separating the fleet and everything you need to do when alone vs blob.

RLML are not easy mode anymore. End of story.

PS : missiles are not the only weapon caldari ship use, and caldari ships are not the only ones to use missiles, but caldari pilots seem to be the most entitled to their OP things when you hear them "because turrets are so much better already" (yes, caldari also have hybrid ships, but shh).

RLML do were OP. Only blind caldari pilots don't know this and it have already been showed why.

I'll say it again just to be sure : when a weapon system obsolete a whole class of ships and all its alternative weapons it's OP. I could add that RLML actually interdict frigates way too effectively.

And yes, destroyers were indeed slower than a Caracal, with 3 times less ehp, less dps and the same range. A destroyer can be killed by a frigate ; an old RLML Caracal couldn't.

Bizarely, what I'm saying since page 20 is actually verified by people trying it. I really wonder why...

But maybe the Earth is flat after all ? I actually never verified it by myself...

Only stating I'm wrong never made a proof of it. It have already been explained extensively why RLML were OP.

Only bad players believe caldari ships are bad. It's as simple as puting squares in squares instead of in circles or stars, but when you are used to OP things, it's hard to learn again.

Also, if mid slots were the be all end all of pvp, caldari ships would win hands down because they have the most of them you know.

But at least do you know that a year ago you would not see any armor fleet unless it was POS bash fleet ? But people already forgot everything about the advantages of shield ; I suspect now this is because people just followed the fotm and never actually understood why they were doing these things.

PS : criticising the experience of someone with an alt or without any pvp experience is questionable, if not ridiculous. Fly some frigates against missile ships, and then come back with your own experience maybe ? :-)
An interesting fact is that whatever the weapon system you use, you can face any weapon system and compare how effective they are against you. Another fact is that when missiles start hurting you, the only thing you can do is warp off or kill him before he kills you, you can't just avoid its dps ; an advantage people here don't seem aware about.

Use your mind and try to imagine if ewar modules were low slots and if propulsion was too, you will see your tank melting like snow in the sun....


Oh my god, you are saying it's not possible to avoid missile dps lol I just fell from my chair....
Now I know two things:
1- you don't fly caldari ships.
2-you suck hard at pvp if you can't avoid missile dps

Good point. An admitted turret-only player posting hundreds of contrarion posts in a thread regarding the nerf of a missile weapon system has to be a troll.

Fury is really bad on them as it runs counter to what they are trying to do which is killing frigs. They would be the go to option for fighting cruisers (which you obviously don't want to do with these things but still) except that you can't swap ammo with the 40s reload.

I'm still wondering when we are going to hear about the ammo swapping feature CCP admitted was needed with these things. I think I'm going to be waiting a long time.

Yeah if you are tackling frigs fury would be good I suppose. I'm not a huge fan of trying to tackle frigs in cruisers though.

And yes, releasing these broken launchers even though they admitted they had issues is a sign of incompetence. Their very existence is a sign of incompetence to be blunt.

Well I guess if we find a niche within the niche it works. But seriously flying a cruiser that can only effectively kill frigs, and only the ones it can tackle, and only if they aren't tanky or have the wrong resist profile? Ick.