Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you don't care about what people says or does, you just consider them stupid because they don't agree with you ?

You shouldn’t have left out the drones they are a damage advantage to each ship.
And you fail to mention that the target can be pulse tanking reducing its sig to 165 when still being target painted.

That’s where the the missile launcer activation duration and the traveling speed of missile come in to the picture and the fact that you can see missile travel towards you.

Activision time for missile Launcher T2 at level five: 4.74 seconds
Caldari Navy Scourge, Max Velocity 9675/second, Max range 94,3 Km
Scourge Precision heavy missile Max Velocity 9675/second, Max range 41,3 Km

Meaning 94300/9675 = 9.75 seconds of travel time to max range + 4,74 seconds launcher rof
= 14,49 seconds from one shot fired to the next one reaches the same max range.
MWD activation time 10 seconds see a connection?

This being where the range advantage for Caldari Navy Scourge begins, 60000/9675 = 6,2 seconds + rof =10,94 seconds.
And if you cant lower your speed on the range controller hud and then hit approach to get better target angel towards your target with a turret ship then welp .

Here is some damage graphs.

990 sig 2000m/s

http://imageshack.com/a/img802/8973/52ja.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img38/941/mi5.bmp
http://imageshack.com/a/img51/8133/1etm.png


These are with target pulsing its MWD. Remeber 0 degrees is perfect turret tracking while 90 degrees is worst case.

http://imageshack.com/a/img855/6869/kqga.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img585/2226/ai9u.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img51/6633/635b.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img17/6159/j03b.png



In the worst case scenario for turrets having an 90 degree angel to wards its target which doesn’t happen that often to sniper boats at long range. Heavy missiles in this case would have a DPS advantage of around 20 – 40 dps inside the 0 - 60 KM span.
In the case where turrets have reached its best tracking they would have an advantage of around 150 to 230 dps.

I don't think you are stupid. I think you are intellectually dishonest.

Not quite.

If I understand correctly there was a concern that the new RHML would be overpowered in tournaments or fleet operations against GSF ... or some other esoteric area 99% of players never get involved in and RLML were nerfed to match the newly introduced and pre-nerfed RHML.

In other words ..I do not think anyone even looked at RLML at all, they added a long reload to the RHML and then just ported it across without any research "as is" to the RLML.

Logically the smaller weapon system should have had a shorter reload.

What? I mentioned a cruiser can fit medium neuts, which can easily cap out an active tank frig, since it neuts out 180 per cycle. Yes a frig can Nos. But sometimes Nos isn't enough to keep the 1 ancil rep running + tackle. If they run cap boosters, then fine. But cap boosting frigates are limited to certain hulls generally. This doesn't even touch on the frigs that use cap for guns.



Do you have video or KM's to prove this? I have both. I'm hitting a drams highest resist profile, while he's a/b fit with a rep. How did i manage to kill him then? Not only that, but killed him in seconds. Maybe it was a specific incident, or the planets align with i play. But how come no one here is able to get kills with the weapon but me? Maybe you all just suck at piloting in general. They work, and will kill frigates easily if you fit and pilot your ship correctly. No one else, has provided any kind of evidence, or accurate fights using the weapon except me. And my experiences show me that RLML work just fine. No, you won't have 80 missile clip at your disposal, get over it. I've already explained why it is the way it is. It was the only way of keeping RLML, without nerfing LM's in general.



Again.. what? Did you even read what i typed? And if you did, thats all you can pull out as some kind of response? You scout to get kills effectively. I do that in a turret ship, or a missile ship. You pull your targets, let them chase you. And kill them when seperated. If you stay too long after you kill them (you should be aligning out while fighting), and then get jumped by their gang, thats on you, not the weapon system. In reference to the Vengeance/Hawk, are you going to make your arguement based upon the fact that an RLML setup can't kill the heaviest of tanked assault frigates in a t1 cruiser? Yes, a dual rep enyo or vengeance comes in, then you know what, i'll probably just leave and fight elsewhere. Thats my whole point, was scout your opponents. If you had multiple RLML ships in a gang for the "anti-frigate" role, then they would be able to nuke them, as thats their job. But in solo 1v1, it would be difficult against those particular setup frigs. As they're a good COUNTER to the weapon type. Things they're strong against, and things they're not... Hm.. almost sounds like some kind of strategy is involved in missile systems now.



Uh-huh. How bout you take a look at his fit in EFT, and adjust skills appropriately. Notice how resistances don't change regardless of if you have rigs to level 1 or shield management/compensation. Then, if he trained like most people would, the only thing which he probably doesn't have level 5 is shield management, and its instead at level 4. So he lost a massive 146 shield hitpoints, still clocking in at 5902 EHP. I didn't say 53% was a lot, it was his highest resist that i was hitting, and still killed him in 8-9 shots. Imagine if i was shooting at his gaping EM hole, that would have been easily halved. So, what 5 shots maybe? Nice try at trying to skew the argument into your favor. Go ahead and try again though.

The number of frigates that can't reasonably fit a cap booster is much more limited than the inverse, considering that only 4 frigates have only two mids.

Maybe that dram pilot was foolish enough to leave his hardener off or made some other mistake that lead to such a quick death, but that's an example of pilot error.

Where did you get the notion I'm talking about a gang instead of a solo frig, I'm gonna assume you pulled that from thin air just like you assume that an anti frig weapon is countered by a frigate, which you're apparently to blind to see that when a weapon doesn't do it's job right it needs a change. The point of my post is that you don't always have the opportunity to warp off and change ammo yet you completely ignored that, what then, when you have to wait close to a minute to even have a chance of being able to kill what you're fighting.

53% EXP resist is a gaping resist hole when getting hit with EXP ammo. I won't undock a ship with a single resist below 60 and that is on the low side.

You have 1 unverifiable kill on a rookie toon frigate and are so up in arms about how good RLMLS are. I have to wonder what your motivation here is?
Prove your point on how usable they are, put a few verifiable kills on the kill board.

CCP Rise, posted and told us how useful and how much fun he is having with RLML.
Sorry but I don't believe him either.

Just saying they are fun does not make it so, just saying I did this does not mean you will be able to do it again ( it might as it seems to be a 1 off, make you lucky)

Why people are wastign 183 pages on a thread about a weapon system that does not exist anymore? Yes.. because this change was clearly a way to remove it from the game.

I have not seen a single one after the second week of deployment.

Its over... this module doe snto exist. Move this energy and focus somehwere else.

I've not seen a graph yet that says heavy missiles are anything less than fine - not even the ones that don't know what transversal velocity is. I think it's time to stop posting.

Med acs, like med pulse aren't necessy short range weapons, considering that both can reach 30km easily on bonused hulls, if not farther.


When they fail at doing their job they are worthless, otherwise it was pure chance that he won. That is what I'm trying to get changed, a loss of burst dps for sustained when tougher frigs are the intended target.