Player Features and Ideas Discussion

* Multiple years can be measured in months so you aren't technically wrong.
* CCP's data also tells them Domis, Vexors, and Ishtars are fine apparently.

CCP is the one that killed HMLs to the point where players had no alternative but to switch to RLMLs. Then when more than a few did, they replaced RLMLs with this abomination (effectively killing them). The only thing left at this point is HAMLs, so I guess when it becomes obvious players aren't rekindling their love for HMLs we'll see HAMs get the nerf bat next.

Ah, but you are young Padawan. The cycle of Eve is a long one. What was weak will be strong, what was strong shall be weak. Watch and learn. And keep training.

How about they actually, you know, balance this ****?

Well in their current form they might as well have been.

RLMLs certainly have not been out for more than a year.

I'll take each of these ships in turn:

* Domis - very dangerous at medium range, without question. At close range they are toast. Orbit the sentries close and they will never hit you. This is at odds with how domis used to be.

* Vexors - have always been dangerous ships, but not strong. Kill its drones and orbit outside blaster range.

* Ishtars - have always been awesome in skilled hands. As of the Summer, they are also awesome at brawling with a dual or single rep because of the very strong capacitor. They can certainly tank any frigate forever, and can kill it with ogres plus web/scram. However, fitted this way they are vulnerable to being alpha'd by slightly bigger ships (like tornadoes). Frigates should certainly avoid.

Without doubt the ishtar is one of the better (i.e. more versatile) HACs, it always was. But then if I was in a frigate (and I often am), I would not want to be close to any other HAC either!

I hope your right about that but I'm sick trying to make Caldari ships work in pvp its like pushing water up a hill, so unless something changes I'll be gone when my current sub ends in March.

You're talking to a player who persevered with gallente ships during a time when they were by far the worst pvp and pve ships in the game.

I have played Eve for 3 years. I have run a large wormhole alliance and engaged in small skirmish warfare. I have seen the tactics and fashions in PVP change - even when the ships didn't.

It's important to remember a few things:

1. if what you're flying isn't working for the way you fight, fly something else. There is no law that says that all ships must be equally good at every role. The sacrilege is a *far* better brawler than a Cerberus, but the cerberus is way better at range in a fleet.

2. fashions change, even if the facts don't

3. None of us is always aware of all the facts. distance yourself. think through your chosen play style, then choose a ship and weapon system that accommodates it. It's no good doing ranged dps in a myrmidon, It's no good brawling in a caracal.

If all else fails, join my corp. I'll teach you how to kill people - how it's never about the ship, it's about the plan, the intel, the actions of the fleet and the level of controlled agression you can bring.

I fought a carrier in an enyo once. I lost the ship only because I chose to stay too long. He launched waves of 15 warriors.

to kill a vexor with a frigate requires a great deal of skill and the right fit. It's not something you can expect to be able to do without practice, dedication and experience.

You're fighting a ship 2 classes above you - like taking on a navy dominix in a thorax. It's the stuff of legends!