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Being a Good Guy in New Eden.

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-11-08 13:49:00 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:

No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


Ok. How about half then?

Amber Kurvora
#22 - 2013-11-08 13:50:25 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:

I think a lot of people who shy away from the general purposelessness of pvp would appreciate it a lot more if they felt they were on the side of something beyond their own narrow self-interest, gang mentality, and/or personal achievement. That's not to devalue the existing reasons for conflict, just to add another one and draw in more people who have little gameplay incentive to enter into conflict with other players.



I think I generally fall into this category. I very occasionally do PvP, and it's fun. The adrenaline rush is rather more-ish, but at the end of the day you're simply killing someone else with less experience in fighting or fitting, or knowing when a fight is one sided. Personally, having a reason besides ego and power block plays is something I'm looking for. Even in FW the consequences for losing a system aren't exactly ground breaking, and holding a system and upgrading it is an ISK earning exercise. This is where the disconnect with who we want to be, and what CCP envisage us to be shows itself. We're supposed to be amoral Gods, detached from the affairs of mortals, but I've always wanted something more to be left to those who follow me.

I guess it's testament to CCP that even with that differing in philosophies, I'm intrigued to see where Eve is heading.


Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Rumor has it that I am indeed a 'Good Guy' in RL.



Too bad you all have to know the absolute ******* ******* that I am on this **** piece of ************ load of ***** in a bucket of **** with an extension cord wrapped around a ******** while riding a ********** backwards wearing ***** on his face **** Forum.




I take my hat off to you, Sir, for managing to turn your piece into a mind boggling piece of "Which swear words was he actually using?". It's like an Eve cryptic crossword full of fucks and *****.




Chribba wrote:
There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.

/c


True. Plus there's trying to find that meaningful way of going about it, without being taken for a ride by less scrupulous players, or people who enjoy the sweet, sweet tears of those they manage to take down. I guess Eve Uni counts as one of the good entities of New Eden in that respect, allowing for new players to get to grips with the game without falling afoul of players who might otherwise abuse the naivety of newbies.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#23 - 2013-11-08 13:52:46 UTC
Do a lot of missions for Sisters of Eve, and even SOE are considered pirates. In New Eden, that's about all you get.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-11-08 13:54:01 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:
I am a Space Hippy at heart, lets get that out of the way. At the core of my being, under all the angst and pent up British rage is a person who'd at least like to see the Eve Universe a better place then when I came into it, yet as a game I'm finding it hard to translate that part of myself into meaningful Eve based actions. I know Eve is mainly PvP based and making isk, but it's left me asking the question that is there room in New Eden for good people to make changes using in game mechanics for the betterment and enjoyment of everyone? No, I don't mean fitting up a faction fit Tengu and sitting on a Low to Null gate and shouting "Come get some bitches", and I don't mean getting involved in Null Sec wars - whilst I respect people's love for working towards a common goal, they tend to be power based, either money, territory or who has the biggest e-***** via the kill boards*. All morally grey areas depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on. But that also means that kind actions do some more magnified. People I've had help from through out my time on Eve have always been remembered with warmth for the most part, and passing on the karma is always something I strive to do one way or another.


I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?


No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)


* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions.



All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Or quit. I guess there's no good in you after all if you're just gonna give up.

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-08 13:55:08 UTC

I suppose 'good' could be defined as being altruistic. Then again you'll find that those who get labeled as 'evil' take care of their own, too.. Goons being the clearest example.

You should do whatever you like. Drawing attention to yourself to underline your own perceived moral superiority does make you look a little emo, even if you're just flirting with it by bringing it forward as a cute question.



Amber Kurvora
#26 - 2013-11-08 14:34:11 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:

I suppose 'good' could be defined as being altruistic. Then again you'll find that those who get labeled as 'evil' take care of their own, too.. Goons being the clearest example.

You should do whatever you like. Drawing attention to yourself to underline your own perceived moral superiority does make you look a little emo, even if you're just flirting with it by bringing it forward as a cute question.





I wouldn't say emo. More...searching for ideas and point of views, and wondering away as to what's possible in Eve that doesn't involving screwing someone over.

Also I feel like I should be offering you a hug and a cup of tea/coffee/something nice, because if you think this "Pay attention to me" thread due to me feeling like I'm some holier than thou type, then you need to climb down from being cynical. I've seen epic dickery in game and in real life, and it always makes me a little sad when people get their kicks out of other people's miseries, so why should I add to it? Generally I'm more of the flippant, being amused type more than the serious sit down and discuss type when it comes to the forums. I'd rather see people getting along then at each other's throats.

If you're still offended then I'm sorry that you feel that way, but it doesn't change that the questions were genuine.
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-11-08 14:34:49 UTC
With the amount of scams going on there is no hope for good in EVE.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-11-08 14:40:59 UTC
The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#29 - 2013-11-08 14:49:52 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:
...I guess the Event tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?


No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define...[/i]


Bad guy in this game is generally defined as taking from others (their isk, reputation, corp, alliance,ship, pod). So doing the reverse is the logical definition of good guy, right.

No, I'm not asking for your stuff. But there seems to be more than one way to do the reverse.

Stop people from losing their ________ to others. How do you do this? Become the next Chribba? Become a counter-ganker? Flag scams in local? Infiltrate the infiltrators?

The problem with all of these is you run the risk of becoming the monster you're battling -- the eternal danger of being a white hat.

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2013-11-08 14:55:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.

This is true. Very few possess this anymore, and those that do have earned it.
My suggestion would be to help newbies as much as you can to understand the reality of EVE, not by harsh lessons but by cautionary tales and direct instruction. Show them where to find the information they can use to better themselves, maybe sling them a fitted ship they can use and fleet with them for a while. Help them to understand that they are not helpless, and debunk the notion that everyone in EVE is out to get you... teach them to extend one hand in friendship while keeping a knife in the other hand behind their back just in case. It's a rough universe out there, and if they're better prepared to face it because of you then you have done a good thing. The whole "teach a man to fish" thingy comes to mind, some dude talked about it a while back, but I can't recall who.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#31 - 2013-11-08 16:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Some good deeds you could do:
-Scout out camps at low sec gates. Hang out on the high sec side and warn people in local.

-Create a new alt and hang out in the starter NPC corp. Give new players advice in corp chat. Help them complete any missions that are giving them a hard time. Give them a replacement ship after they lose their first Rifter.

-Hang out in high sec and watch for New Order people doing their spiel in Local. Gank their Catalysts before they can gank a miner.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#32 - 2013-11-08 17:17:18 UTC
I applaud the OP's spirit and wish them well.

People like to carp on and on about how awesomely dark and gritty Eve (supposedly) is but, these same people forget that with no light as a contrast the darkness loses all meaning. All bad all the time is just as boring as all good all the time. A realistic game world needs both. CCP really should remember that as well.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-11-08 17:18:30 UTC
Eve will eventually turn you bad. I use to pet kittens now I throw them in heavy traffic on the interstate thanks EVE.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2013-11-08 17:28:29 UTC
I post in New Citizens Q & A sometimes with helpful tips and advice.

That makes me one of the good guys, right?

RIGHT?

Say yes or feel my wrath.

Mr Epeen Cool
Proclus Diadochu
Slipstream Horizons
#35 - 2013-11-08 17:36:21 UTC
I'm a good guy, and I feel like my sunny disposition has helped me nearly win this game a number of times...


/p

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People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#36 - 2013-11-08 17:38:53 UTC
I am an excellent person beloved by all.

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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#37 - 2013-11-08 18:37:26 UTC
There definitely should be more options for "good guys"

If everyone is "the villain" is anyone really a villain?

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-11-08 18:41:50 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Some good deeds you could do:
[...]
-Hang out in high sec and watch for New Order people doing their spiel in Local. Gank their Catalysts before they can gank a miner.


How is encouraging botting and afking in space a good deed?

More seriously, the best way to be a "good guy" in eve is to help new players. Being active in help chat channels, on the forums, or joining organizations such as eve uni or brave newbies can be immensely helpful. Staying near starter systems, or in npc corps and directing players to such organizations is equally valuable.

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Ginger Barbarella
#39 - 2013-11-08 18:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
You can be a good guy without being a complete schmuck. Just look at Chribba, Keith Eaton, and Tau Cabalander: they're all good guys, but I'm sure they've murdered more than a few capsuleers (not to mention NPCs and rocks) in their time... Pirate

Edit: seems the board doesn't like "s c h m u c k" even tho that's not a nasty word...

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Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#40 - 2013-11-08 19:02:10 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
there isn't really good but there's lawful.

for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part)


CVA are Amarr aligned though, therefor Lawful Evil.

:Twisted