EVE General Discussion

Here is some more math for Dust...

So lets say Dust has 5,000 max players per day at a single time (which it doesn't have number that high).

And players only played 2 hours a day...

Than at max there would be:

24*2=48

48*5000=24000 exactly.

Then all those players will have to spend $50 or more dollars to make a proft for at least the marketing costs of Dust.

But here is the problem...

1. Dust max players currently is not 5,000
2. Not every concurrent player only plays 2 hours a day.
3. The majority of players in a F2P game do not spend money.

Therefore it is impossible that Dust is making enough money to cover the advertising campaign.

Some people on google threw out that only 5-10% of players spend money on F2P games.

Therefore in order to make marketing money Dust would need at least 2,400,000 players with 50,000 player per day.

Hell in order to make as much as EVE which makes 400,000x15=$6,000,000 per month it would need at least 25,000 players concurrently per day with the 10% of players spending $50 or more. That scenario is unlikley because F2P players do not pay like subscription based models.

So no. Dust is not successful as EVE nor will it be able to support CCP if EVE fails.

Nor will it ever be. Next generation consoles will bury it.

[Edit: Which is why it should have been a PC exclusive in the first place.

I agree. As far as marketing and development decisions go, Dust ranks up there with New Coke.

Particularly given that, with the extra 18+ months of development time if they had waited for the next console generation, it may not have released a buggy, awful mess.

I still say PC is their only hope, particularly given that the fanbase they were hoping to draw from (EVE players) are guaranteed to own a computer since they play EVE in the first place. But if they make it the typical crappy console port with the effed up UI, fps cap, and other kinds of bullshit that comes from the awfulness of consoles(seriously, **** you consoles, you ruined gaming), it dies nonetheless.

"How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched."

Well if that is the question you were asking.... I guess $12 million would have gone a lot towards making WiS more than it is now.

If not that, budget for new ships.

to cut through the original mustard - ccp used eve sub money to fund risky projects which on paper at the minute are failing and / or might neverbe released.

my original point remains in that so much might have been better in eve if ccp had not devaited resources from their coreproduct.

all i ask is how much was wasted on dust and vampires and how might that cash invested into eve have resulted in a better live event experience for the players

It stopped being “subscriber cash” the moment the transaction went through.

CCP can and should do whatever they want with their money, and trying to expand the product catalogue is pretty much a necessity. Without separate products such as Dust or WOD, there would be no additional funding, so in terms of money flow, little would change for EVE.

Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed.

True, they do need to diversify.

But it must be acknowledged that Dust was pretty much the worst possible outcome they could have had, between both implementation and overall quality of the product. They took a pretty big PR hit with it too.

Strange that people did not view it that way in the aftermath of Incarna.

I enjoy logic.

Who is Tippia btw ?

I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night?