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Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-11-10 12:25:13 UTC
In a nutshell, yeah. You've got to wonder. If CONCORD did what CONCORD does best, and simply smacked a fat bounty on whatever they wanted destroyed, those nullseccers that were doing this turkey shoot would instead be falling over themselves to be the first to do it.

What's up?
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-11-10 12:42:01 UTC
Iwan Terpalen wrote:
In a nutshell, yeah. You've got to wonder. If CONCORD did what CONCORD does best, and simply smacked a fat bounty on whatever they wanted destroyed, those nullseccers that were doing this turkey shoot would instead be falling over themselves to be the first to do it.

What's up?


Maybe CONCORD wanted to prove it could lead nullsec fleets, too.

... You know, it's good to have a glass of cognac on hand. That way, when you need to stifle a giggle, you can do it politely.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-11-10 13:24:21 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Chinwe Rhei wrote:
I'm sorry but it's one thing to lose a dozen ships to gatecamps. I find it impossible to believe that you would lose several hundred ships to gatecamps with virtually no impact on the enemy if that was not your goal in the first place. Even the most incompetent of leaders with the greenest of pilots would've either gathered their troops or diverted through another route after the first losses.

You were lead to your deaths on purpose. I'm glad i couldn't be there for the fiasco.


There's a problem with that argument, though. None of the capsuleers were actually led to their deaths; they're all still around. What possible reason would CONCORD have to deliberately aggravate a group of well-armed, essentially independent contractors that it knows it would simply be temporarily inconveniencing?

No, this all smacks of simple incompetence. CONCORD FCs, for all their technology and their experience in keeping empire space livable, simply do not know how to deal with a gate camp. Those who had never before left empire space who went with them, because of CONCORD, never deal with gate camps.

I wouldn't consider it a stretch of credibility to simply say that CONCORD and high-security residents are generally unfamiliar with nullsec tactics. Otherwise, they simply would have cleared a few imperial titans to jump the entire fleet, group by group, to the target destination.

Simple lack of logistical intelligence is all. If you want to give CONCORD credit for being conniving at all, ask what they would possibly have to gain from such a colossal blow to their reputation, especially to a group of immortal ship pilots. There is absolutely no good reason they would have intentionally done this that isn't drastically overshadowed by a glaring reason why they wouldn't.

So it's fairly simple to surmise that they thought a few thousand capsuleers were a few thousand capsuleers, residency and experience be damned. CONCORD never were noted for being particularly bright.


I have to admit that I find all the fuss and anger about CONCORD a bit strange. They seem to have turned yet again into the usual scapegoat, though may I remind you that CONCORD only issued a call for a strike on two objectives in nullsec, on the behalf of the mutual agreement that was made between all of the four major nations of the clusters, without which nothing of the sort would have been possible in the first place ?

May I also remind that CONCORD merely issue the call, and as much as they could have provided the support that they promised with the four signatories, that eventually most of the commanders and actual leaders that leaded to that fiasco were actually part of the various navies of the signatories, and not CONCORD or DED ? The Caldari FC Sami Okuuda ? Amarr admiral Ren Karetta ? That Minmatar pilot in that railgun fitted broadsword that chose to activate his interdiction field generator when one of these fleets was trying to evacuate ?

From what I have read, heard and seen, maybe the incompetent ones are the empires themselves, and CONCORD, not so much...
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