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live event - high sec verses null sec

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-07 21:54:08 UTC
Ok lets side step all the complaining that CCP set up high sec players to be killed or that they co-operated the nulls. The fact is this even reveals some depressing info about the balance in military power between null sec alliances and high sec players.

In a very short time these alliances were able to throw together a very effective blockade of a single system kept hidden until shortly before the battle took place using heavy assault cruisers and other advanced tech 2 ships. Meanwhile high sec players for the most part advanced in randomly organised fleets formed from chat and such lacking proper co-ordination. This combined with the tidi that split most of the overall force up meant that numerical superiority was lost.

The end result a massacre in which for the most part ships came in small groups which where easily destroyed. After the event completed (I'm still not sure if it did or not) high sec forces turned into a free for all.

The conclusion that can be drawn from this is that if certain people get their way and all of eve becomes like null sec then the former high sec population is going to get massacred. And goodness knows what's the POCOs situation is going to be like when Rubicon arrives.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#2 - 2013-11-07 21:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Maybe.

I saw a lot of drop off during the massive gauntlet run through a system known as TiDi. Even I had to leave because of RL obligations.

Too bad for the gate campers too because I was going to bring my deadspace fit Comet. I always wear my best out to the live events. If it was a PVP event and not a Live Event, I had a pile of Kestrels to throw at that.


But speaking of tactics and organization, the TiDi run was probably the killer here. The fleets that staged in highsec and had to move to nullsec were getting some heinous TiDi during staging. Lots of "i'll be there tomorrow night" in the Live Events channel. Big smile Compare this to the way nullsec organizations make use of cnyos and jump bridges.

I am certain there will be claims that jump bridges "break the game" but that may not be an issue in this case.

Another huge factor was that the higsec fleets had changing and incomplete information on where to meet up. if there was a reason why there was no organized fleet, or one did not form up fast enough, it's due to this lack of information. The channels were loaded with X-ups throughout, and then seemingly one by one with an apparent lack of organization and x-up requests being ignored, along with "set destination to here... no there... now to here", a lot of people just gave up and went to sleep or back to work.

If CCP does this again, though I doubt it because Iceland is going to be submerged under an ocean of frozen tears soon, there were certainly be a need to advise of better organization. Nobody knew what was going on, nor what to do. Today it really seemed like CCP lost interest in their own live event because there was hardly any information coming from them.

Look at it this way: I remember a Sansha live event (before incursions) where one of the actors in a ship passed through a system, blue text and all, rushing to the next incursion that had not even started yet, and with each system, the fleet behind him grew. By the time the word was entirely out, organized fleets were right behind the actor and others converging on the projected path.

This time, there was no input. A lot of players were even getting the impression that it was over before it even started.

Interestingly, all it would have taken would have been to get FCORD and SYNE, IRED, and other known RP-like organizations from the IG forums into direct communications with CCP and each other and there would have been a much better organized fleet effort. We do have proof that organization between alliances and CCP does exist, considering the scandals of the past.

Finally, if you really want to get highsec fleets into nullsec, just stage huge battles whereby all highsec incursions will stop UNTIL the staged battle takes place. The most organized highsec fleet players (and those who left nullsec) are the incursioners. Heck do it this way and the nullseccers would have logged their highsec incursion alts to fight each other in nullsec and get the incursions back.

Be lots of kestrels popping that day let me tell you.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-07 21:59:05 UTC
Who cares... join a null corp and you are safe, or save some time and money and just quit playing right now...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-11-07 22:00:20 UTC
See this is what pisses me off about the current 'peeveepee' crowd. It used to be about gudfites. Now it's just about collecting tears and telling people to deal with it or leave? AND THEN you have the balls to ***** about people not coming to low and nul?

Give me a ******* break. What happened to the game I loved man?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-11-07 22:01:45 UTC
How dare the best man win.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-07 22:03:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:
What happened to the game I loved man?


don't know i never played hello kitty online...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-11-07 22:03:53 UTC
it's almost like they hold them midweek with little notice for some reason.

ever see an elephant have sex with a pig? that's really the sort of server pornographjy that happens with this sort of thing.

forums.  serious business.

Anslo
Scope Works
#8 - 2013-11-07 22:04:44 UTC
dexington wrote:
Anslo wrote:
What happened to the game I loved man?


don't know i never played hello kitty online...

Coming from a gankbear who's major KB padding source are hulks, your **** talk's worth about as much Mittani's quiet capital construction offer.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#9 - 2013-11-07 22:05:46 UTC
Yeah, looks a bit like:

"Grow some Balls!" Said the guy sitting on a blaster cannon to the native holding a stick °°

On a different matter i think its part of the Rubicon background and I take it as a man (even though I might have enjoyed a bit more from it)
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-11-07 22:06:18 UTC
dexington wrote:
Anslo wrote:
What happened to the game I loved man?


don't know i never played hello kitty online...


Because having challenging fights instead of killing people who even if they were dc'ed would have made no difference is the same as playing hello kitty online.


Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-11-07 22:08:16 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ok lets side step all the complaining that CCP set up high sec players to be killed or that they co-operated the nulls.


This part right here is the funniest part...CCP has all my 5's on this one.

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#12 - 2013-11-07 22:09:58 UTC
Weren't they supposed to show up in crummy ships? That was part of the call. Show up in stuff you don't care if you lose.

Whatever, of course they get trashed by those who showed up in whatever they wanted.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-07 22:10:13 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ok lets side step all the complaining that CCP set up high sec players to be killed or that they co-operated the nulls.


This part right here is the funniest part...CCP has all my 5's on this one.



I didn't want for this thread to devolve into a debate on in game conspiracy theories. I wanted analysis of what this battle says about the balance of power in game.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-11-07 22:12:27 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
dexington wrote:
Anslo wrote:
What happened to the game I loved man?


don't know i never played hello kitty online...


Because having challenging fights instead of killing people who even if they were dc'ed would have made no difference is the same as playing hello kitty online.


Because in eve online you don't cry about jumping a low-sec gate and losing you ship, you get a ******* warning telling you what you are about to do. If you do it anyways and lose your ship, and then run to the forums crying, you are a god damn ****** and they game would be better if you just left.

People lose spaceships because they do stupid things, but when you decide it's better to cry then to learn from you mistakes you are so ******* stupid eve online is just not a game you have then mental capacity to play.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#15 - 2013-11-07 22:14:19 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ok lets side step all the complaining that CCP set up high sec players to be killed or that they co-operated the nulls.


This part right here is the funniest part...CCP has all my 5's on this one.



I didn't want for this thread to devolve into a debate on in game conspiracy theories. I wanted analysis of what this battle says about the balance of power in game.


Why ? There was never a question about where the power is ... no analysis needed. Everyone in high sec who was kidding himself into believing they could stand up against even a low alliance, you know what a delusion is, right ?
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2013-11-07 22:15:02 UTC
dexington wrote:
Because in eve online you don't cry about jumping a low-sec gate and losing you ship, you get a ******* warning telling you what you are about to do. If you do it anyways and lose your ship, and then run to the forums crying, you are a god damn ****** and they game would be better if you just left.

Says the guy who doesn't step foot into nul and ganks miners like a 'bad ass.'

Quote:
People lose spaceships because they do stupid things, but when you decide it's better to cry then to learn from you mistakes you are so ******* stupid eve online is just not a game you have then mental capacity to play.

Is that why you stay in high sec? Lost too many ships to people who shoot back?

Nerd.


[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-07 22:16:37 UTC
So what was the actual target of this Live event?

Hearing alot of tears but not what they were saposed to be doing..

I would of kinda expected them to use empire titans to bridge into the dest location to avoid the issues they had here, but then again I expect that CCP wanted to bring the High sec peps into PvP.. it just didnt go anywhere near aswell as they hopped
Anslo
Scope Works
#18 - 2013-11-07 22:18:53 UTC
It was to introduce the Ghost Sites for Rubicon via an event. There's a chronicle about it on the wiki.
Welp.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-07 22:20:41 UTC
Anslo wrote:
See this is what pisses me off about the current 'peeveepee' crowd. It used to be about gudfites. Now it's just about collecting tears and telling people to deal with it or leave? AND THEN you have the balls to ***** about people not coming to low and nul?

Give me a ******* break. What happened to the game I loved man?


People do things for different reasons wow what a shocker. The game you loved is being strangled by highsec people, hence why the event happened in null/lowsec :smug:.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-11-07 22:22:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
dexington wrote:
Because in eve online you don't cry about jumping a low-sec gate and losing you ship, you get a ******* warning telling you what you are about to do. If you do it anyways and lose your ship, and then run to the forums crying, you are a god damn ****** and they game would be better if you just left.

Says the guy who doesn't step foot into nul and ganks miners like a 'bad ass.'

Quote:
People lose spaceships because they do stupid things, but when you decide it's better to cry then to learn from you mistakes you are so ******* stupid eve online is just not a game you have then mental capacity to play.

Is that why you stay in high sec? Lost too many ships to people who shoot back?

Nerd.


Maybe you you should just find a game where you can pick flowers, while you watch brokeback mountain.

******.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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