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CONCORD is a laughingstock..

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Ichinumi Tsukaya
Desi Beanz
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-11-07 22:10:49 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Regardless of the circumstances or outcome, I am as ever proud to have flown alongside the Caldari Navy.

As you should be. Our contribution was significant, although ultimately futile.

That spirit is what we need more of amongst our people, to rebuild and restrengthen our State once more.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#22 - 2013-11-07 22:12:27 UTC
Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote:
Just remember this, fellow Caldari capsuleers:

Tibus Heth would not have sent you and your ships to sure deaths without some back-up and without purpose.

Yet CONCORD and our supposed friends at the Imperial and Caldari Navies, under this illegitimate CEP, would.
Not that any legitimate Caldari leader would ever work with the Federation in any operational measure anyway.


Remember this the next time you see yet another sign of your state's growing weakness under a CEP that makes deals with the ultimate embodiment of corruption, weakness and debauchery - the Gallente Federation.


Interesting touch.

I like it.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#23 - 2013-11-07 22:33:47 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
On behalf of TEST alliance, the Angel Cartel, the CFC and indeed all non empire factions,


Welcome to nullsec.


Life in nullsec is having time, resources and the lives of your crew constantly wasted by pointless incompetence and a failure to achieve anything?


I'm sure that will do wonders as a recruitment advertisement.


When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-11-07 22:48:05 UTC
Caldari pilots blaming the Federation for their boneheaded decision to participate in a terribly-planned, highly-publicised excursion into nullsec, an area of New Eden which by neccessity the majority of Empire loyalist forces - who take it upon themselves to defend Empire space - have little operational experience with? No, the responsibility for that decision falls squarely upon your shoulders. In fact, I, a Federation pilot, was telling people it was a bad idea and that they should avoid it.

I wouldn't feel so smug about being right if Provists weren't whining so hard about being wrong.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-11-07 22:49:39 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
After today, I would be incredibly surprised if any State Protectorate pilots, or any pilots serving the empires ever comes to the aid of their allies or takes the joke of CONCORD capsuleer commanders seriously... honestly ever again.

I've seen better organization among rookies two weeks fresh out of the academy.

I don't think it was CONCORD incompetency, but rather Capsuleer fleet commanders.
Today we fielded armor fleet in Sarum Prime. FC was incompetent, split the fleet, we were hanging on gates without commands, half of fleet was stuck in traffic congestion.
And, of course, travelling time to meeting point took almost two hours.

What CONCORD could really do, is free traffic lanes for us. But otherwise, I blame incompetent capsuleers.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Henry Montclaire
Guild of Independent Pilots
DammFam
#26 - 2013-11-07 23:20:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
After today, I would be incredibly surprised if any State Protectorate pilots, or any pilots serving the empires ever comes to the aid of their allies or takes the joke of CONCORD capsuleer commanders seriously... honestly ever again.

I've seen better organization among rookies two weeks fresh out of the academy.

I don't think it was CONCORD incompetency, but rather Capsuleer fleet commanders.
Today we fielded armor fleet in Sarum Prime. FC was incompetent, split the fleet, we were hanging on gates without commands, half of fleet was stuck in traffic congestion.
And, of course, travelling time to meeting point took almost two hours.

What CONCORD could really do, is free traffic lanes for us. But otherwise, I blame incompetent capsuleers.


How large was your fleet?

The fleet I was in, a shield fleet, was some 250+ pilots, and it was well coordinated for the most part, but the enemy seemed to have a mole in our operations as our fleet commanders were immediately removed from the field by overwhelming firepower once we made it through the gate into Doril.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-11-07 23:54:57 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I recall a famous Khanid Admiral and his particular sayings about traps.

Have fun, kiddos.





Sabik now, Sabik forever

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#28 - 2013-11-08 00:15:48 UTC
Smells like a trap; a well baited trap. Out of curiosity, I took a Cheetah to see what it was all about. Sitting in Serpentis repair dock after a warp bubble situation, I had an opportunity to reflect. I don't believe this was a CONCORD failure. Quite opposite, CONCORD did not need any capsuleer help to do what they planned with the research stations. What they wanted to do was to bait large numbers of capsuleer pilots in order to test a new System-wide stasis device. This is not a bubble, but much more massive. I recorded 80-90% reduced efficiency across the board in my ship systems. This included warp engagement and module activation. The "Empires" as they are so affectionately known as have for some time now been in a quandary over what to do about the "capsuleer problem." How does one get these "demigods" to destroy each other? How does one control their movements and disable their fleets. Today was a good example of technology sufficient to grind to a halt large numbers of egger pilots.

Like many other pilots, I struggled to swim through the thick molasses of system after system trying to get to the target systems only to arrive late. Today, Concord learned that it can control who arrives where and in what numbers. I wonder what the rest of us learned?

SANKOFA

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-11-08 00:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Anslo wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
On behalf of TEST alliance, the Angel Cartel, the CFC and indeed all non empire factions,


Welcome to nullsec.


When did TEST start speaking on behalf of the CFC? Did your asses get kicked out of Fountain so hard you mixed up friend and foe?



Because the Goons and TEST have never been friends.

…ever.


Edit: In all seriousness, today was very interesting in nullsec. It was high fives and gf's all around for us and helped to heal a lot of the bad blood that tends to linger after constant wars. If there is anything that brings all the null entities together it is getting exactly what we all wanted. I think it is a result of the fact that alliances and standings change to survive, in the end there is nearly no difference between the average line member of one alliance and another. The way we fight it similar, there are only so many doctrines. It showed just how much we all have in common while separating CONCORD further from it's charges. It was a victory on many many levels already,

The tears just made it so much sweeter.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-11-08 06:48:43 UTC
Maybe the idea was to convince all the Empire Loyalists that they can't do without Concord?

All it taught me was that you never go into a situation as anything other than part of a proper fleet with a Commander you trust, good intel, scouts and so on.

That and Concord owes me nothing and I owe them less.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-11-08 07:36:52 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Caldari pilots blaming the Federation for their boneheaded decision to participate in a terribly-planned, highly-publicised excursion into nullsec, an area of New Eden which by neccessity the majority of Empire loyalist forces - who take it upon themselves to defend Empire space - have little operational experience with? No, the responsibility for that decision falls squarely upon your shoulders. In fact, I, a Federation pilot, was telling people it was a bad idea and that they should avoid it.

I wouldn't feel so smug about being right if Provists weren't whining so hard about being wrong.


SINCE WHEN has the Federation begun calling its clowns as pilots?..

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-08 07:56:58 UTC
Henry Montclaire wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
After today, I would be incredibly surprised if any State Protectorate pilots, or any pilots serving the empires ever comes to the aid of their allies or takes the joke of CONCORD capsuleer commanders seriously... honestly ever again.

I've seen better organization among rookies two weeks fresh out of the academy.

I don't think it was CONCORD incompetency, but rather Capsuleer fleet commanders.
Today we fielded armor fleet in Sarum Prime. FC was incompetent, split the fleet, we were hanging on gates without commands, half of fleet was stuck in traffic congestion.
And, of course, travelling time to meeting point took almost two hours.

What CONCORD could really do, is free traffic lanes for us. But otherwise, I blame incompetent capsuleers.


How large was your fleet?

The fleet I was in, a shield fleet, was some 250+ pilots, and it was well coordinated for the most part, but the enemy seemed to have a mole in our operations as our fleet commanders were immediately removed from the field by overwhelming firepower once we made it through the gate into Doril.

We had 190+ pilots, specialized in armor tanking ships. We started travelling to Ihal as soon as we got a message from Amarr commander, that we are needed there. It happened way before designated time, but we got in a traffic bottleneck already in Sarum Prime. We travelled 23 system in high security space, most of them got less than 10% traffic bandwidth.

We started gathering in Ihal on Mifrata gate. But then our... "FC" decided to jump with those, who landed first (light ships), leaving core of the fleet (slow battleships and battlecruisers) behind. After they jumped, they... i mean, this "FC" decided not to continue getting through, but to stay in Sendaya and attack other capsuleers, like last jakal, of course, forgetting about the main fleet, that was waiting already on Mifrata gate. At this point I has left and joined to much smaller militia fleet. And with small numbers we had no trouble getting through, but, unfortunately, it was already too late.

And I repeat. Most of the time, we wasted in traffic bottlenecks in high security space.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-11-08 18:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
On behalf of TEST alliance, the Angel Cartel, the CFC and indeed all non empire factions,


Welcome to nullsec.


Life in nullsec is having time, resources and the lives of your crew constantly wasted by pointless incompetence and a failure to achieve anything?


I'm sure that will do wonders as a recruitment advertisement.




Just because it went badly for all of you...

*Actual experiences may vary, please read all pertinent infromation before venturing into nullsec. Must be a grown and competent adult able to identify ambushes, gatecamps, fleet traps, cyno bait's and AWOXers. Please not that all responsibility remains on those who enter unless explicitly stated otherwise. Nullsec may contain but is not limited to: blob's bubbles, hellcamps, ROFLstomps, 'getting dunked on,' ReKt, ganked, hotdropped, brawled, sniped, kited, betrayed, stolen from, made fun of, trolled, mocked, muted, reported, kicked from fleets, commisared, helicopter dicked, Supers, Titans, Dreads, disperprtionate force, Drunken pilots, 1337 peeeveeepee, gangsters, bubbles, gatecamps, bombers, ratters, nullbears, big game hunters, pubbies, and bubbles.

Please only apply if you are capable of fending for yourself. Nullsec takes no reponsibilty for lost implants, clones, ships, sp, time, or blows to the pride.

You will die. You will be bubbles. You will be bombed.

Please, DO NOT ENTER NULLSEC if you are not able to accept these risks.

And welcome =)

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2013-11-08 18:11:59 UTC
Watch out, we got a bad ass over here. Because nothing says superior skill to justify bragging rights like a couple hundred pilots.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#35 - 2013-11-08 18:47:56 UTC
Everyone who went and died there on behalf of that CTA should have their heads examined. It's a skill to notice when a huge clusterfuck is happening and any Commander - regardless of fleet, group or vessel - should know when continued action is pointless and will merely result in losses.
Don't they teach anything at the academies anymore?
You get what you came for, I assume. And yes, that is brash, but given the scope of this butchering soft words and holding hands just does not cut it anymore.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-11-08 19:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Desiderya wrote:
Everyone who went and died there on behalf of that CTA should have their heads examined. It's a skill to notice when a huge clusterfuck is happening and any Commander - regardless of fleet, group or vessel - should know when continued action is pointless and will merely result in losses.
Don't they teach anything at the academies anymore?
You get what you came for, I assume. And yes, that is brash, but given the scope of this butchering soft words and holding hands just does not cut it anymore.


This bears support and repetition.

YOU are responsible for your crews.
YOU are responsible for your ship.
YOU are responsible for your fleet (If FC)
YOU are responsible for your intel.

Despite Pyre's track record of support for the State and for the CEP, you might find it interesting that not a single Pyre Falcon pilot attended the Charlie-Fox that was the CTA. If we had gone, you can bet your baseplate that we wouldn't have jumped through the Concord designated immediate euthanasia gate.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-08 19:47:00 UTC
To be honest, I might have, just for the hell of it.

But I sure as sh*t wouldn't be crying about it afterwards.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#38 - 2013-11-08 20:04:12 UTC
Risk/Reward. Size of assets and amount of support available, coherence of friendly forces and scope of expected opposition.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-11-09 02:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
Desiderya wrote:
Everyone who went and died there on behalf of that CTA should have their heads examined. It's a skill to notice when a huge clusterfuck is happening and any Commander - regardless of fleet, group or vessel - should know when continued action is pointless and will merely result in losses.
Don't they teach anything at the academies anymore?
You get what you came for, I assume. And yes, that is brash, but given the scope of this butchering soft words and holding hands just does not cut it anymore.

No, its not brash. Its tactics and strategy one-oh-one. When success becomes highly unlikely, its time to cut your losses and retreat.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-11-09 04:00:45 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
After today, I would be incredibly surprised if any State Protectorate pilots, or any pilots serving the empires ever comes to the aid of their allies or takes the joke of CONCORD capsuleer commanders seriously... honestly ever again.

I've seen better organization among rookies two weeks fresh out of the academy.



This is news to you?