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Eve Event CCP Set up for Razor!

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Arn Dog
#221 - 2013-11-08 13:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arn Dog
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next time i hope they will say "OK, CCP XXX is now the FC, then follow the orders, if he say jump, just ask how high


This is were they are really taking the ****. I submitted a request knowing they wont onhour it but to see what they would say. (as CCP went quiet on the forums and abondoned the fleets mid fligth"

This is their policy of fleets .

CCP operates a strict non-intervention stance towards large scale fleet fights. Unexpected and unpredictable issues can crop up when a server node is put under heavy load by a huge event of this scale. This is a well known fact and one of the main reasons for our non-intervention policy; any action on our behalf would be arbitrary as it is impossible to determine the full extent and consequences high server load had on the ongoing fight.

However by taking command of the fleet like they did. Issuing orders and direction activity they would appear in my opinion to have broke their own policy. By not making themselves the FC but directing the fleet in the same manor from an RP point they seem to be working round their own policey to undermine it. No one is in any doubt that they were commanding most of the H.S fleets actions. It has been widely reported on here and elsewhere.

http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#222 - 2013-11-08 13:37:57 UTC
If the CCP devs were so obviously doing something wrong, then why did all the hisec sheep do as they were told?
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#223 - 2013-11-08 13:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Arn Dog wrote:
seth hendar wrote:
next time i hope they will say "OK, CCP XXX is now the FC, then follow the orders, if he say jump, just ask how high


This is were they are really taking the ****. I submitted a request knowing they wont onhour it but to see what they would say. (as CCP went quiet on the forums and abondoned the fleets mid fligth"

This is their policy of fleets .

CCP operates a strict non-intervention stance towards large scale fleet fights. Unexpected and unpredictable issues can crop up when a server node is put under heavy load by a huge event of this scale. This is a well known fact and one of the main reasons for our non-intervention policy; any action on our behalf would be arbitrary as it is impossible to determine the full extent and consequences high server load had on the ongoing fight.

However by taking command of the fleet like they did. Issuing orders and direction activity they would appear in my opinion to have broke their own policy. By not making themselves the FC but directing the fleet in the same manor from an RP point they seem to be working round their own policey to undermine it. No one is in any doubt that they were commanding most of the H.S fleets actions. It has been widely reported on here and elsewhere.

http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage



well, the way i see this:

1- CCP gather pilots for a fleet (they call the fleet)
2- CCP create the fleet
3- CCP FC's the fleet by issuing orders

so either you do it 100%, or you don't do it at all.

OR, they call for a FC or let a FC take the lead, someone said a FC (non CCP char.) was FCing part of the fleet, and CCP gave orders AGAINST this FC order.

this is....well....i can't find a proper description but weird, specially after reading the eula part you quoted....

it seems like they were reminded half event about said eula

this whole story is, in fine, just about bad FCing

CCP started FCing, made a mistake (i don't blame them, **** happen), then halfway through, dropped the FC role.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#224 - 2013-11-08 13:40:24 UTC
Here's how it really went:

Gather supplies extra ships in Sarum Prime for unknown event.
Get the order to move to Ihal(?), panic, grab as much ammo as cargo allows.
Fly through molasses... wait.
Get the order to head into Low.

(This is where most of you screwed up)

Call up map, watch first wave die. Warn local "Its a trap!"
Watch the lemmings jump for the next hour... or whatever.

If you jumped without looking then you are not paranoid enough for anything but HighSec.

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Arn Dog
#225 - 2013-11-08 13:41:34 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Arn Dog wrote:

You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.



sorry, but you are wrong, the event took place around 1800-1900 eve time, it was known since noon that utopia was involved

now, if you didn't knew utopia was in nullsec, well i'd say someone failed to do his homeworks

so you are the one who missed "one very small but major part of information"

edit: it was not noon, it was 1400 eve time:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/join-the-pirates-and-defend-their-assets

Quote:
The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!


This isn't correct. Utopia was the staging ground for Pirates. Not the announced location oft he event. They moved us 21 jumps 10 min's prior to start. The presumption was both sides would be told to move. Not one would be sat waiting 1 jump out from the staging ground. If this was the plan all along why did they not tell use to fleet up 2 jumps out? The general impression was they switched the event location last min for the H.S fleets due to the overall number of members that arrived. It was completely miss managed in my opinion.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#226 - 2013-11-08 13:41:43 UTC
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#227 - 2013-11-08 13:43:49 UTC

"It's a trap" and "oh god, oh god, we are all gonna die" was posted in fleet and local all the time from sarum prime. Lol

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2013-11-08 13:47:51 UTC
Well it sounds like this was a fun fight, for the most part.... minus the lag. Sorry I couldn't be there, I would have enjoyed the extra hatemail today.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Arn Dog
#229 - 2013-11-08 13:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arn Dog
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.


One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new how bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.

Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. LeftFleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#230 - 2013-11-08 13:48:27 UTC
Arn Dog wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Arn Dog wrote:

You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.



sorry, but you are wrong, the event took place around 1800-1900 eve time, it was known since noon that utopia was involved

now, if you didn't knew utopia was in nullsec, well i'd say someone failed to do his homeworks

so you are the one who missed "one very small but major part of information"

edit: it was not noon, it was 1400 eve time:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/join-the-pirates-and-defend-their-assets

Quote:
The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!


This isn't correct. Utopia was the staging ground for Pirates. Not the announced location oft he event. They moved us 21 jumps 10 min's prior to start. The presumption was both sides would be told to move. Not one would be sat waiting 1 jump out from the staging ground. If this was the plan all along why did they not tell use to fleet up 2 jumps out? The general impression was they switched the event location last min for the H.S fleets due to the overall number of members that arrived. It was completely miss managed in my opinion.


if it was just about allowing pirate char to gather, why 2 nullsec systems? why not sendaya and another lowsec near FD-MLJ?

most pirate live in lowsec anyway, and they don't have trouble travelling in those...they do it all the time

i think this is just a matter of interpretation, and for me: what i understood reading this, was that two fleet were formed in high, those wanting to join but being pirate were to form in another system where they don't suffer SS issues, and join the fleet as it passes in those systems.

wich made a lot of sense to me since that is a thing i saw happening several times before in few alliances where some corps are pirate and others are not....
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2013-11-08 13:50:10 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.


Though I guess on the other hand, CCP avoided being accused of favoritism by leading the loot piñata to where everyone could take a whack.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#232 - 2013-11-08 13:51:21 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.

well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me....
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#233 - 2013-11-08 13:51:40 UTC
I wish CCP would intervene with your terrible posting OP.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-11-08 13:55:59 UTC
Arn Dog wrote:


One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.


So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf?

Is that what you are inferring?



Arn Dog wrote:
Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol


Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.
Arn Dog
#235 - 2013-11-08 13:57:46 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.

well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me....


This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever.
Arn Dog
#236 - 2013-11-08 14:02:59 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Arn Dog wrote:


One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.


So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf?

Is that what you are inferring?



Arn Dog wrote:
Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol


Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.


Go read the event info and numerous news pages and stop trolling.

Everyone expect that at least some of the fleets actually would get to the event location even if we all got killed their . No one is upset about losing a ship and a pod. Everyone is annoyed by the way it was set up and managed.
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#237 - 2013-11-08 14:03:42 UTC
Im starting to think that wasn't an event, but a GM trolling hi-sec players.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2013-11-08 14:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Marzetti
Baaldor wrote:

Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.


I think he meant the other fleet that went out to Syndicate and at least got to cycle their guns once before dying. I think they were cosplaying as pirates or something.

Edit: no, I guess that's wrong, too. I really don't know wtf the pirates are supposed to be.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#239 - 2013-11-08 14:04:12 UTC
Arn Dog wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.

well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me....


This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever.

yup, like i said before, they don't know how to play the game, in this case, the CCP persons involved didn't know how to FC
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#240 - 2013-11-08 14:12:37 UTC
Arn Dog wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Arn Dog wrote:


One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.


So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf?

Is that what you are inferring?



Arn Dog wrote:
Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol


Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.


Go read the event info and numerous news pages and stop trolling.

Everyone expect that at least some of the fleets actually would get to the event location even if we all got killed their . No one is upset about losing a ship and a pod. Everyone is annoyed by the way it was set up and managed.


Trolling, dude you have no idea what that even is. You just do not want to actually address my response, so you through out the "Troll" card.

And you guys are butt hurt about losing you space pixels,and pissed that CCP dragged a bunch of risk averse autistic squirrel to their deaths.