Player Features and Ideas Discussion

that's kinda why I agree with a BS model -- it the XL turret would look bad on a "smaller" hull model (such as a cruiser).

@Antille --
well the whole purpose of dreads is shooting POS (and other caps/supers) in low/null ... so it works out alright that a new BS is meant for hisec structure bashing. POS suck to kill anywhere ... moreso if they're setup "right" in hisec.

it takes 10 bs a few hours to kill an offline tower. how long will an online one will take for a corp of 20. or worse pi office. if they have xl turret based bs that is useless against sub caps or missions. the grind time can be reduced.

I would just like to suggest that everyone stop, step back from this thread and ask yourselves "Did I just swallow some more ALI Virgo trollbait?"

Really, people. He's proposing, among other things, a battleship-sized version of the Tornado with dread guns to match.

I been posting same idea under a different name and none of them got this much negative name calling. doe smy name ali offends you sir

So how much DPS are you aiming for with this thing? Or rather, how long should it take one, solo, to kill a POCO in highsec? They'd be useless in a real fight, and the niche you seem to be aiming for is really, really small.

I'm assuming your RAZOR cap fits are the same as the rest of the CFCs here.

My nag does a shade over 6k DPS, at 30k alpha. You're asking for a highsec boat that does 3k at 15k alpha. (Skills to IV, T1 Seige. At all Vs, T2 seige it'd be 8.9k at 37k alpha, but that's too much time for me. <__<)

For the cost, which I assume will be in the T2 battleship range, that's...


Really bad. You might as well just bring two talos for almost the same DPS at a fraction of the cost

Okay, so for your 3k DPS, you're paying what fir the hull, a billion? That's roughly T2 BS prices, with basic T2 fits, isn't it?

Whereas two, maybe three t2 fit Talos would do the same job (IE grinding highsec structures), better, at ~a third of the cost. I'm not seeing the advantage here.

not a billion . price of mega perhaps. it plain a simple it be nice for people with bs to get some of dreads fire power in . plain and simple ccp can figure out proper balance. we have bc that can fit bs weapons. I would like to see frigs that can fit cruiser weapons and bs that can fit like 2 xl weapons. and I don't see why your going in to cost. of-course it wont be a billion. a bc oricale does not cost as much as ap bs. but can out dps it. what im saying is have a bs that can siege and use fuel like a dread does. but instead it being expensive mouraderr it just having dps increase. more then vindicator. more then 2.3 k dps. a vidi can out dps a non deployed dread. so how about a bs that can fit 2 or may be one xl turret and when its deployed it uses fuel and can pound at a high dps. it can hit pos and pi officers. xl turrets do much reduced damage to sub caps so their I snot much of op. think of it as a mini dread fro high sec and noobs in null .

PI office? did you ever atacked one? cause it takes 10-15 minutes to RF then 5 to kill for....wait for it.....6 nagas with neutron blasters. not really that hard to kill don't you think?

the only issue currently are the meds and large towers in highsec where you need shittones of ships to even think about attacking it

While these would be "better" at killing freighters, they would be terribad at hitting anything else.

FYI:
Siege Module I has a -75% scanres, -100% speed (i.e. you can't move), and also disallows ewar, etc. additionally, you have a max locked target of "2"
Siege Module II only reduces it by 70%.


All you have to do is some "lolrp" explanation of "due to the massive recoil of the XL turrets, they can only be fired once the battleship has entered siege"

a -75% scanres on an abaddon drops it from 85 to 21.

locktime = 40000/(scanres * asinh(sigrad)^2)

so with a "21" scanres, against a freighter (3.6 km sigrad), you're looking at (roughly) 7 seconds lock time. you'll have to add in warp from a relatively far location (because dscan) and time to get into siege. let's say 20 seconds total -- that's ample time to get a (webbed) freighter into warp.

If you wanted to use this against a mining barge (lolwut) it would take you 49 seconds to lock (assuming retriever @ 250m). This is even before considering that XL turrets have a huge sigres (2 km for the blasters) and terrible tracking (0.0046 rad/sec)