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Stratios Skills & Certificates?

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Christopher Aveon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-07 02:34:48 UTC
Hello,

I'm a fairly new player and am wondering what skills & certificates I should think about training for the new Stratios ship. I'm not sure what it's training requirements will be just to get in the ship and I'm certainly not sure about what to fit it with (and what skills the fittings would require). I've looked around but cannot find any ideas. I'm wanting to mainly explore with this ship and maybe do covert ops if possible. Any recommendations? Thanks so much!
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-11-07 03:00:23 UTC
Well there are the skills that everyone needs, fitting skills, navigation skills, ect...

Then you have Amarr and Gallente cruiser, drone skills, exploration/scanning skills, maybe some laser skills, armor tank skills, and Cloaking IV.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-11-07 03:14:51 UTC
As a new player the price tag for these is liekly to be a hardship. These are going to be out rageous. Given it is already expected to be 50% higher than any other pirate cruiser just for the bpc; then facter in the high demand for these to form the core for blops DPS fleets, and you are likely looking at a hull you can barely afford to fit let alone lose. I am no expert (obviously) But I wouldn't be much surprised to see these running in the same cost range of comperably fit T3's. Maybe even as high as the faction battleships.

If you really are just looking for exploration, there are more than adequate options at a fraction of the cost that don't have such a shiny kill mail attached to them. Fly those until the market and ganks stabilize would be my advice. Or just fly the cloaky nullified T3 of your choice and have similar results.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-11-08 10:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Ship looks horribad... no way I'm fitting lasers on a ship. Also it gets fantastic drone dps except its an armor tanker. If only it'd been Minnie.

Also wtf? Has 500m3 drone bay? Dominix from memory has around 300...

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-11-08 10:50:13 UTC
New stats are 100m3 band width and 400m3 drone bay... just fyi.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-11-08 11:20:38 UTC
So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2013-11-08 15:38:29 UTC
Odithia wrote:
So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.


Gotta say, I highly doubt this. SoE LP is traditionally some of the most expensive out there to start and there's no reason to believe that an additional source of demand won't drive the price further up. Couple that with the 50% empire premium for the ships and throw in the fact that -- unlike true pirate cruisers -- none of the demand will be met by drops and you're just asking for a premium price point for some time.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-11-08 16:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
What do you mean by "50% empire premium?"

Odithia wrote:
So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.


Lol no.

Expect them to be 500m+ for at least 2 months if not longer. Everyone is going to want one of these, and some will want several. While the ship is far weaker then an ishtar once stripped of its cloak and probe strength, its going to have fantastic applications in PVP and PVE. One month of dudes running missions for a single level 4 agent is not going to come close to satisfying demand. Especially when you consider that pirate cruisers come from drops moreso than LP, and navy cruisers have agents all over hisec you can mission for, PLUS the effects of faction warfare making navy cruisers more available. There's no other ship in the game that has a comparable means of supply.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-11-08 17:08:20 UTC
Batelle wrote:
What do you mean by "50% empire premium?"

Odithia wrote:
So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.


Lol no.

Expect them to be 500m+ for at least 2 months if not longer. Everyone is going to want one of these, and some will want several. While the ship is far weaker then an ishtar once stripped of its cloak and probe strength, its going to have fantastic applications in PVP and PVE. One month of dudes running missions for a single level 4 agent is not going to come close to satisfying demand. Especially when you consider that pirate cruisers come from drops moreso than LP, and navy cruisers have agents all over hisec you can mission for, PLUS the effects of faction warfare making navy cruisers more available. There's no other ship in the game that has a comparable means of supply.


The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-11-08 17:17:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Ship looks horribad... no way I'm fitting lasers on a ship. Also it gets fantastic drone dps except its an armor tanker. If only it'd been Minnie.

Also wtf? Has 500m3 drone bay? Dominix from memory has around 300...


It sounds like the idea is for SOE ships to be useful for extended duration sojourns without needing to worry about ammunition resupply (hence the lasers and drones, and the outsized drone bay to carry spare drones to replace losses). Although I think that when they dropped the Stratios' bandwidth down to 100 (equivalent to the Myrmidon, which packs a more than respectable punch), they also lowered the drone bay size to 400.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-11-08 17:42:28 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:

The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog.


Haha, that's fantastic. I must have missed that little nugget. That said, it would be nice if you could also get that bonus from their food relief lvl 4 agent in ROIR. All things considered though, I would bet that getting out to X-7OMU with a tengu and running missions is quite doable for the dedicated and savvy pilot, as long as the station undock isn't permacamped by instalocking alpha-tornadoes.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2013-11-08 17:56:14 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Batelle wrote:
What do you mean by "50% empire premium?"


The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog.


Exact line, second to last para:

Quote:
Both of these ships will be on offer from all Servant Sisters of EVE corporations in the game, which means these will be the first ‘pirate faction’ ships available in high sec. This doesn’t come without a cost though. Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.


So yeah. No cheap Stratios for some time. If ever.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#13 - 2013-11-08 20:15:04 UTC
For a Stratios You need to get your Amarr cruise skill up, Gallente cruiser skill, armor skills up, exploring skills up, laasers skills kinda up, but not really, drones skills up. and cloak skill up.

The Stratios won't be cheap, but I have a good deal of LP in SoE, email this toon in game and I'll give you a discount on the frigate or Stratios, if you promise to not pimp fit it.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-11-09 04:04:02 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
For a Stratios You need to get your Amarr cruise skill up, Gallente cruiser skill, armor skills up, exploring skills up, laasers skills kinda up, but not really, drones skills up. and cloak skill up.

The Stratios won't be cheap, but I have a good deal of LP in SoE, email this toon in game and I'll give you a discount on the frigate or Stratios, if you promise to not pimp fit it.


I can say with confidence that for most PVE applications you will not need laser skills P

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#15 - 2013-11-10 12:42:18 UTC
I don't really understand the lore aspect as to why Gallente engineers would collude with Amarr engineers to produce a ship. I'm not keen on lasers either so I don't think I will be flying them. They look a bit too much like the eagles from Space 1999 as well. Blink
BadKitty Miau
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-11-10 14:48:56 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
They look a bit too much like the eagles from Space 1999 as well. Blink
oh boy, did we just age ourselves Big smile next ship design will look like its from the UFO tv series, or Starblazers
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#17 - 2013-11-10 15:59:13 UTC
I wonder how long those sellorders will stay unchanged at overpriced places. Demand for those won't be high, as they are basically not usable for most exploration content. (Meaning there are other ships getting the job done twice, no joke, twice as good as that thing)

The ship is nice, but it's very little more than a blown up combat scanner that doesn't lose you skillpoints, or a very subpar cloaky combat ship afterall. Their Sentry-performance is kinda down the gutter...

...and they are terible blops-shps. We tried blopsing with Hamgus (so ~500dps), blopsing that along with 2 RR-Gus and a webloki, making for near perfect applied damage - and it still wasn't outperforming bombers on the offensive side. I doubt those stratios will. So stratios as a BLOPS-dps-core... no, that is not worth it.

As for exploration, there is no content worth using that stratios for. Need to run relics/datas? Use a covops! Need to run complexes? Use an ishtar! Need to cloaky tackle? Use a proteus, it's (probably) cheaper.

They will be narrowed down niche product with some applications, they will be flown plated as scouts for wh-fleets, they will maybe be used as a +1 for a very small roam, but that's pretty much it.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2013-11-10 21:02:12 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
I wonder how long those sellorders will stay unchanged at overpriced places. Demand for those won't be high, as they are basically not usable for most exploration content. (Meaning there are other ships getting the job done twice, no joke, twice as good as that thing)

The ship is nice, but it's very little more than a blown up combat scanner that doesn't lose you skillpoints, or a very subpar cloaky combat ship afterall. Their Sentry-performance is kinda down the gutter...

...and they are terible blops-shps. We tried blopsing with Hamgus (so ~500dps), blopsing that along with 2 RR-Gus and a webloki, making for near perfect applied damage - and it still wasn't outperforming bombers on the offensive side. I doubt those stratios will. So stratios as a BLOPS-dps-core... no, that is not worth it.

As for exploration, there is no content worth using that stratios for. Need to run relics/datas? Use a covops! Need to run complexes? Use an ishtar! Need to cloaky tackle? Use a proteus, it's (probably) cheaper.

They will be narrowed down niche product with some applications, they will be flown plated as scouts for wh-fleets, they will maybe be used as a +1 for a very small roam, but that's pretty much it.


I'd consider it a viable alternative to a T3 in some low sec, especially with 3/10s suddenly available. I also think you're selling them short on PvP, but I haven't had a chance to test that yet.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#19 - 2013-11-10 21:07:02 UTC
Where will you be able to get the SoE ships, and BPCs, and how much will they cost, and how many LPs?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2013-11-10 21:31:53 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Where will you be able to get the SoE ships, and BPCs, and how much will they cost, and how many LPs?


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