EVE General Discussion

Well well well, this is definitely a train wreck of a thread.

First it started out as "PvE needs improvement" which then quickly turned into the old "It's PvP or nothing" bandwagon.

Seems that train just keeps on a rolling.

As for "PvE not being fun", that's strictly on you the user, not on CCP. If you find doing level 4 missions in your "Pimped" Battleship or Command Cruiser way too easy, then drop down in ship class. If that's not enough excitement for you, then go do those missions in low security space. Now if that's still not tough enough for you, then go do level 5 missions in a T1 Battlecruiser with no Logistics Support.

If you want fun PvE, that's up to you to make it happen. If you don't like the PvE content, then don't do it, plain and simple.

As for those who say this game is strictly PvP, pull your head out, open up your eyes and take a good look around. This game is filled with all kinds of PvE content.

Now about the Epic Arc's last mission being a grind, obviously the ones saying it can't be arsed to actually do a little bit of research, IE, figure out a way to blitz / complete it quickly. Here's a little hint, only the Boss NPC in the last mission needs to be destroyed to complete it.


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And for the record, there's a hell of a lot of people doing PvE in this game. Surely the majority of those people must be enjoying it.

I know I definitely enjoy it.

So you are saying that sandboxes are not meant to have PVE and be only restricted to PVP? What a ******* genious you are. A sandbox with restrictions to gameplay.

Thorolfur Beck: There will be computer-controlled opponents in some areas - call them space dungeons. Computer-controlled enemies are not, however, thought of as centerpieces of the game-play in EVE, but rather as a variation to help players tune combat skills or to keep players busy while waiting for grander schemes to unfold. We will try to channel conflict into the PvP direction, in a way that allows for a lot of much more exciting battles than possible with any AI, but without making life unbearable for the more peaceful or inexperienced players. In the secure zones in the game world there will be a lot of empire-controlled ships flying around, both armed ships guarding the peace as well as just normal space traffic.

People do L4's when they have limited gameplay time, which does not allow them to jump into something like incursions.
For incursions, you need a minimum of a 2 hour block of time where you are at the keyboard and sharp. That includes the typical 30 minutes to migrate your ships from one incursion constellation to the next one. Even if you are in the active constellation, may communities have wait lists to get into fleets, or take time to form a fleet.
And if you bail after just 30 minutes in a fleet, the FC will take a dim view of you in the long run.

So yeah, L4's are a necessity for many people.
And there also the people that simply don't have the skills, ISK, or inclination for high end ship play with others.

The PvE in this game is Not Fun. For most (normal) people, it is straight up chore to do any sort of ratting or missioning, and the only thing that makes it tolerable is bullshitting on voicechat with other people that are doing it with you. I humbly request that CCP do something to make the PvE in E.v.E. entertaining/engrossing/interesting and at least vaguely tolerable.

For the people that play EvE for just the PvE content, they'd completely disagree. Highsec is there for exactly these people, those that don't have the time, inclination or desire to play any of the other aspects of the game. Sure, many people scream "PvP only game!" while exploding them, but it isn't going to change them, and nor should it. Everyone should be able to play EvE for whatever reason they enjoy. So improving PvE is a good thing, certainly for these players. Why would anyone that doesn't enjoy PvE have a problem with that?

Seems to me that everyone wants the sandbox to conform to their specific preferences, as if there is only one correct way to play. In reality, EvE allows for all play-styles.

Don't like PvE ?

Don't do it.

EVE isn't really a sandbox, you're all delusional.

Here's what you say - make a business! You can do it, it's a sandbox!

Okay.

Well, I want to refine mins from ore. That's my business. I buy them off the market and sell them on the market.

But I lose mins to tax UNLESS I DO PVE.

I can't put up a POS unless I do PVE.

EVE has never been a sandbox in Empire space. So people grind standings to get money and to get to the place they need to be to do what they really want. I don't mind having to work for it, but seriously, don't kid yourself about what EVE is. In order to get to many places you want to go, there are prerequisites, you can't just jump into whatever you want if you want to be competitive in business.

I just think pve (missions and anoms in pitcular) need to be mote challenging, this namly because they are to easily ran (completed) specally with the intro of tech 3 and now marauder changes. Missions and anoms have just become to easy, CCP should be looking at a happy medium having them harder than they are now but not to the extent of incursions, w-space and other pve activities ment to be ran as a group.

This and CCP should look at putting in mote objectives then just warp hear kill this/loot that rince and repeat style they are currently formated as, and have multiple choices for the ending depending on how you choose to complete it.

A few simple changes could make pve more dynamic and thus "fun" and I agree people should be comming up with solutions and/or ideas rather then just whining and complaining.

Or at least I think so.