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Daddy McCane

Doomheim

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#1 - 2013-11-06 08:14:51 UTC

Anyone can shed some light ? The fleet would be something with Archon,Lokies, Moros, Rev, Navythrons ...

is this good ?

[Naglfar]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Sensor Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I

6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon
Siege Module II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II

thx

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1,052
ChromeStriker Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,052	#2 - 2013-11-06 08:32:32 UTC 1 What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot? Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally) No Worries


Daddy McCane Doomheim Likes received: 4	#3 - 2013-11-06 08:48:11 UTC 2 ChromeStriker wrote: What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot? Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally) Thx, C5 (it's written in thread subject )

Advanced Technology 426
To mare Advanced Technology Likes received: 426	#4 - 2013-11-06 09:14:20 UTC 1 problem for me is you are probably the only shield tanked (loki maybe) in a armor tank fleet, i know it doesnt matter too much during siege but still id prefer to have the same tank of my fleet


Daddy McCane Doomheim Likes received: 4	#5 - 2013-11-06 09:18:20 UTC 1 To mare wrote: problem for me is you are probably the only shield tanked (loki maybe) in a armor tank fleet, i know it doesnt matter too much during siege but still id prefer to have the same tank of my fleet i agree, but lokies are\|would be armor tanked i guess

Gnadolin

Space Pioneers

Likes received: 24

#6 - 2013-11-06 09:23:53 UTC | Edited by: Gnadolin

[Naglfar, Armor]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
Siege Module II

Capital Projectile Burst Aerator I
Capital Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I

12k DPS, 6270 peak tank (without Links) Cap for 5min30sec/21min with cap boosters running

Planetary Interactors 160
Elindreal Planetary Interactors Likes received: 160	#7 - 2013-11-07 07:16:28 UTC 1 I would use a burst aerator and 2 semi conductor rigs


ChromeStriker Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,052	#8 - 2013-11-07 10:59:10 UTC 1 Daddy McCane wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot? Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally) Thx, C5 (it's written in thread subject ) Sorry i meant any effects No Worries

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 229
bubble trout Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 229	#9 - 2013-11-07 14:40:41 UTC 1 Make sure to have refits in cargo. max gank/tracking, max cap recharge, max tank, and bulkheads. Honestly that is 10 times more important than what you have on your ship when you start the siege. Keep within 5k of the carrier(s) and refit if people start shooting/nueting you, etc

Tesoni Daven

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Pandemic Legion

Likes received: 24

#10 - 2013-11-09 15:04:30 UTC

Daddy McCane wrote:

Needs mor tracking.

First thing is... if you are running an armor fleet, you might as well run your Nag armor. No real reason not too.

You NEED tracking computers. At least 3. I would sudgest 3 TCs, 2 Sebos, and a faction TP. Assuming you go armor. (If you stay shield, drop the TP for your repper)

Your low slots are good. If you go armor, drop a TE for your repper.

If you stay shield, Strong Blue Pills are mandatory.

Having lots of extra active hardeners so you can overheat and burn them out, then put on new ones, is very usefull.

Other than that, follow what Bubble trout said, and you should be good 2 go.

Tesoni Daven

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Pandemic Legion

Likes received: 24

#11 - 2013-11-09 15:09:37 UTC

Gnadolin wrote:

I do not like this fit. Seems to be ignoring the fact that if you are primaried you won't be staying in siege, you will be exiting to catch triage reps. Also, nags can shoot without cap, so why cap inject it? There is absolutely no reason to need 21 minutes of cap. That's wildly excessive. Even with nuet pressure.

Luft Reich

No Vacancies

No Vacancies.

Likes received: 140

#12 - 2013-11-11 00:29:54 UTC

Do you have any idea how to run C5 sites? You never drop siege if you take agro to catch triage reps. You carry refits for your dreadnought to stay in siege the entire site. You might have to drop siege to get cap if they stay on you an entire siege cycle, but otherwise you should never have to drop siege cycle. Here are the fits that you should use to run capital escalations with a naglfar, it is shield fit because armor nags are bad and you should feel bad for flying one in capital escalations. Again make sure you have extra hardeners, bulkheads, cap rechargers, CPR's. As sleepers switch on and off of you refit accordingly, the Nag is a great ship shield fit, we run shield dreads all the time with Archons as the carriers never have to rep them, and you are missing out on alot if you armor fit a nag.

[Naglfar, Control Tower DPS]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Siege Module II
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

[Naglfar, Control Tower Tank]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Damage Control II

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Cap Recharger II

6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
Siege Module II

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

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Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Likes received: 5,031

#13 - 2013-11-11 02:00:41 UTC

You should really ask wh questions in the wh forums for this kind of thing.
never, ever armour tank a nag and certainly never fit cap boosters...

I would also not recommend mixing a shield dread with an armour fleet.

Luft's fits are getting there, this is what i'd use if i really couldnt use a moros:

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[Naglfar, Test]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL
Siege Module II

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Personally i dont like the nag for mainly cap reasons.
It also barely does more DPS than a Revelation which has far better cap.

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Gnadolin

Space Pioneers

Likes received: 24

#14 - 2013-11-11 22:57:06 UTC | Edited by: Gnadolin

Please share your Revelation fit with 5k sustained tank and 12k dps output.

Thanks in advance

btw: none of the postet shield fits here do 12k dps or are even close to the sustained tank of an Armor Naglfar, while having triple the price tag.

Although i agree that refitting in combat should always be considered, especialy in WH sites, thus making spare mods likewise important then the fitting you start with.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons ISD Alliance Likes received: 7,710	#15 - 2013-11-11 23:22:27 UTC 1 Moving this from Ships and Modules to Wormholes. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Senior Lead Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Likes received: 5,031

#16 - 2013-11-12 01:31:32 UTC | Edited by: Jack Miton

Gnadolin wrote:

Please share your Revelation fit with 5k sustained tank and 12k dps output.

youre not running L4s in a drake here, you dont need sustained tank.
rev gets 9m30s cap running everything flat out with zero cap mods other than rigs. you never need to refit it.

oh, and it also has double the optimal range and 10% better tracking than your nag while doing merely 700 less paper DPS.
oh, any you dont need god damn cap charges >_<

but sure, go ahead and use an armour nag.

PS: lets not even start talking about the moros.

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7enn

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 100

#17 - 2013-11-12 04:32:33 UTC

lows
3 tracking
3 gyro

mids
invul
shield booster
sensor booster (res script)
tracking

highs
guns and stuffs

It's that simple for running sites. If you want more out of it, bling it where you want to. I run a deadspace invul and the meta guns and booster. you don't need a boost amp or damage control for sites. you're only going to be sieged for 2 cycles.

if things go wrong in the site, add a damage control or maybe another invul field - sleepers don't offer much risk to a nag.

if things go wrong that aren't sleeper related - now you can swap to dc, some cap mods in the lows and pull some tracking computers and up the shield resists you need (em/thermal if it's jack in his crappy rev and kin/therm for all the moros pubbies)

if things go really really wrong you can put max armor resists and as they burn through your armor

if things go super bane noob bad then slap on the hull tank, put you feet up and think nice thoughts

keep 6 warp stabs for after the hull tank so you can warp away laughing

oh and keep shooting, it's a nag after all which makes it far superior to jack's crappy rev. the rev is a one trick pony that can be nueted out (there are vids of this actually happening during pvp

Jack Miton

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Likes received: 5,031

#18 - 2013-11-12 05:04:40 UTC

7enn wrote:

(em/thermal if it's jack in his crappy rev and kin/therm for all the moros pubbies)

oh and keep shooting, it's a nag after all which makes it far superior to jack's crappy rev. the rev is a one trick pony that can be nueted out (there are vids of this actually happening during pvp

you know nothing of my fearsome arty rev!!!

(For the record, I use a moros for first dread because I am not bad at WHs.)

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Joan Greywind The Lazy Crabs Likes received: 341	#19 - 2013-11-12 09:13:29 UTC \| Edited by: Joan Greywind 1 Why armor tanking the nag is a bad idea? with 2 centus c's and a repper, that is the same as the rev and moros tank, and the mids just fit 4 tracking computers (1 optimal, 3 tracking) and 2 sesor boosters. I am not saying it beats the moros, but it seems the armor one is better than the shield fit. Maybe I am missing something here.

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

Likes received: 1,356

#20 - 2013-11-12 12:35:29 UTC

Jack Miton wrote:

Quote:

Personally i dont like the nag for mainly cap reasons.
It also barely does more DPS than a Revelation which has far better cap.

Is this a troll? Cause with only one SeBo, this is going to take a whole lot of patience. Two are more the minimum to lock things in time, three would be better.
Mean, even with two SeBos you merely do odds and evens in escalations to avoid wasting locktime.

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