EVE General Discussion

You do know you can help out by answering questions in NCQA or Help

You do know you can submit articles for the wiki...


Ooh wait, neither of those increas your wallet thus you are not interested in that as a carebear.

what resource is that?

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

I wish some of exponents of wardecs would represent the counter argument accurately rather than exaggerate to prove a point.

But then they would have to explain why declaring war on Goonswarm makes good economic sense when it really should be a pretty stupid thing to do.

I love how you cut the part out that proofs that Velic is right.

Wardecs are already MORE expensive then they were...please, quote that part too.

1. That's unfortunate . Perhaps they should.
2. Maybe I'm in a different help channel than you ... it's usually pretty much "correct" in the advice given to people. Yes, people will give snarky answers from time to time; but I have not seen where a blatantly wrong answer was not quickly corrected.
3. Don't see "worthless" player being thrown around by anyone by you. However, the "unlucky" people to have been on the receiving end of a wardec (and getting frustrated and quitting) should have known better -- generally when I see those "unlucky souls", they have assumed that EVE corporations are just as worthless as a guild in most other MMOs (i.e. just a group with a unique banner, nothing more).

EVE is very much like RL in the sense of "what you don't know can harm you" (laws are a good example -- not knowing that you're breaking a law does not exonerate you -- the judge pretty much tells you "too bad").

Nope, but the moment Velic said you can edit it, you jumped in the defence by saying why Velic didn't do it yet.

But why should Velic have done it already......

And new players already have a good source of information...It's called other older players.

I can name about 10 people from the top of my head who don't mind answering any question a newbie can have.
And there are actually multiple channels in EVE that if you did a little bit of research (and without research you won't get any where in EVE at all) will find that has helpful people in it.

So basically, if a new player shows a bit of interest in the game he is paying for and doesn't mind doing a little bit of reading about it, he WILL find a **** load of information and lots of helpful people.

If you are lazy and expect anything handed to you, sorry, that ain't EVE...And if you then quit, too bad, you won't be missed.

I rather have 500.000 subs of high quality then 5.000.000 and have a dressed down version of EVE where everything is handed to you on a silver platter and where 95% of the people are mindless teenagers (WoW can keep those people).

And I'm still puzzled how the whole wardec mechanism has ANYTHING to do with new player retention. yes, they can join a corp that sucks when being wardecced, does this mean the wardec mechanism is wrong, or that the corp they joined is wrong.

IMO, CCP should not change the wardec mechanism, but change the NPE in that it will include more about what a corp is, what is involved in being in a corp (little bit of info about roles, corp hangars, POS, wardecs, alliances, good and bad points about being in a corp vs NPC corp). As with the current NPE, that is something that is hardly explained. THAT would help NEW players...

Changing wars doesn't help new players, it helps risk adverse people that want high-sec to be totally risk free.

As you can say the same about scams. I often see new players leave because they got scammed and lost all their ISK.
Or ganking. Because new players leave because they didn't follow rule 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Both of those things are also fundamental things that make EVE a different MMO, and for 10 years people have dealt with them. And for 10 years EVE has grown, so they all work.

I can name about 40,000 people by pointing you to the list of players in Jita local who would be happy to slit a newbie's throat to make a million ISK, or just for the lols. Eve is a PVP game. You can't have both the harsh, cold reality of Eve, full of sharks and scammers, and at the same time point to the player base as a primary source for valid information.



A bit of interest? A little bit of reading? I think you misplaced the **** in your sentence.



Sure, because you're a member of an "exclusive club" and you want to keep it exclusive.



It has been suggested that wardecs deprive a new player of the opportunity to learn the basics of the game before they are expected to fight competitively against those who wardec their corp. This may cause some of them to become frustrated and quit before they get a chance to become knowledgeable players.



And for 10 years, people have dealt with a steady increase in policies and changes that help new players become grounded before they are thrown into the shark tank. And for 10 years EVE has grown, so they all work.

As for scams, in case you haven't noticed, CCP has tightened up a bit on what kinds of scams are allowed. But we're not talking about scams atm, we're talking about wardecs.

Guess why they start in a NPC corp.

Guess...

Come one, even you with an IQ of a peanut should be able to figure this out.

If they choose to join a corp before completing the tutorials and NPE, that's THEIR choice, the game doesn't force them to join a corp at ANY point.

Take Oraac Ensor, he has been in the game for years, and never left the NCP starter corp.

If you join a corp, that is your decision...you can't blame game mechanics for that.

Enlighten me what CCP changed about scams and what isn't allowed anymore...

Again, this whole thing was started by a carebear who wants riskfree bearing, under the false intention of "I want to help new players".

And talking about changes by CCP.

You, mr Peanut-head, should read up on the changes they made regarding new players:

Any action specifically targeting new players can be seen as a violation of the NPE rules.

So if a new player after 2 days start a corp and gets wardecced by some PvP group, he can petition them. As the PvP has nothing to gain from the wardec other then grief kills of new player frigates..