Ships & Modules

　if drone bandwidt buff comes at the cost of fitting options i would rather it doesnt happen at all the best thing about mykidpn is its flexibility in fits

Myrm is not fine. It's one of those things with partial drone + unbounced low range ac dps plus high rep that look good on EFT, but do far less real dps and pop upon coming anywhere near a neut... There's a reason ppl don't use active tank in pvp except on a few niche boats working under highly situational circumstances.

Myrm has a nice model. Too bad it's gimped to oblivion due to someone's idea of giving it a weird niche that doesn't work.

Honestly, I'd like to see it get a hybrid bonus instead of a tank bonus, and be a mini domi, or mega vexor. Then you could actually shield tank or armor buffer tank and not feel dumb, with the option to continue using the current active fits with somewhat reduced tanking ability

Exactly, thus give it a working bandwidth.

A 125Mb Myrm still wouldn't sport:

The Speed or a Hurricane or nano-Harby
The tank of a drake
the DPS of any of the other three T2 BC's at 10km.

Seriously a flight of ogres does with 475DPS, moves at 1100m/s and can be blown out of the sky, can't overheat, have no damage mods, and no implants to help them....that is max hull bonus, max skills on a Domi

Sentries do less (best case) with Garde IIs they are out damaged by the ogres until you add sentry damage rigs. Plus if you really want them to perform you are giving up mids and a highs to Omni's and tracking links and with two drone damage rigs you get to a whooping 530DPS, again, no overheating, no implants and with max skills

Oh yeah, and unlike Dominix, and Ishtar...you get ONE set of real drone, with a 150m3 drone bay you get a set of heavies and a set of lights.

I think a 125mb bay would put the myrm pretty much right on par with the Hurricane and Drake by virtue of flexibility.

actually...what about a dual buff to the drones? More speed or tracking or rof or something?

All assuming that you find a couple morons that are slower than the myrm, a plated myrm goes something like 740m/s with good nav skills and and a 1600mm plate, active myrms top out just under 1000m/s.

Oh and active myrms can't tank more than two BCs...ever

The reason people fit AC's is because they at least can shoot at something out towards point range, otherwise you are have the standard 10km for medium neutrons that no pilot will go into anyway because they know they are going to get webbed and scrammed.

So yeah, it'll grind as you put it through a battlecruiser, if they are dumb enough to get caught, otherwise they are sitting out at the edge of point range blasting your face in while you are busy manual sticking and praying that they were dumb enough to set orbit so you might be able to catch them long enough to get a web on them.

Unless you are talkiing gang work, where you a single plated myrm is basically heavy tackle so the ceptors get a break....also a job that an armor cane does better.

I may add that I fly both the Myrm and the cane ...frequently.



Nano-hype with a rack of Neutrons is so so right when the occasion calls for it.

So your suggesting that you have to fly around millions in drugs in your head for a hull to work?

A shield harb or cane DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGHT IN SCRAM RANGE.....why is this hard? Plate is a gang fit, you BETTER have back up because you can't outrun your smell.



LOL Drone damage projection, with what? Medium drone? or the a 2-2-1 heavy/medium/light set even than best case you are doing 350dps at 20km with 425mm and waiting 20seconds for your heavies to get the hell out there. If your target isn't a moron just just pops the drones with his.


Why must the myrm rely on its target being.........bad? Personally given the choice I just leave the ******* myrm(s) yes pluaral I have at least 6 of them because the hurricane can fill pretty much all of the same rolls.

...and I get to determine if I'm going to fight or run....because I don't have to rely on the other target making a mistake or being new to win toe to toe.

I do.

I if you are fitting web and scam than most of the increase is on hull, which currently I prefer not to try to use as a secondary tank level. Also most of that DPS advantage is drones that can't keep up with a nano-cane at full speed, so its hit or miss.

I have equal skills shield and a armor tanking, but I have had pretty bad luck with shield tanking myrms with anything but 720mm Arties. Its been a minute since I fit a shieldy one to brawl, I should give that another go I guess, pretty sure that I have a couple unfit hulls floating around.

At 20km with a 425mm nano-cane with heavy HMLs and DPS drones over 400dps with a bit of manual flying no heat.

Not to mention that you wouldn't be using fusion for that, that is barrage range. ....maybe even hail once they do the ammo boost.


With fusion something like 250, on a normal nano-with dual neuts vice launchers. (not exactly cookie cutter).

The main problem with active reps over passive is the point at which they collapse.

Yes a Harbi, Drake etc struggles to tank multiple ships and live, and thats OK. However, with an active tank you have a DPS threshold that if breached you might as well not be there. In a sense, buffer tanked ships have the same, but the difference is massive.

An active Myrm can tank most BCs 1v1 for as long as it has cap boosters.
2v1 and it will need drugs and overheat etc. (and even then I'm not totally convinced tbh) but since this decreases the cycle time of the reppers it means the cap boosters last much shorter periods and therefore, whilst you may on paper tank the DPS of 2 BC you will run out of cap boosters if they have good/reasonable tanks before you can take them out and so fold. Without drugs and overheating, the armour belt of the Myrm will fold before the reppers can cycle. So whilst you may get a rep in just as you're hitting structure your structure will be gone before the second cycle.

Active rep myrms have the following problems.

Like with most Gallente ships, most of its hitpoints are in its hull. So its repping in one of its lower hit point belts and if the DPS can get through that armour belt in less time that it takes for a repper to cycle, your tank will fold before you get to use it.

Since the hit point boost, reppers have to run for much longer in order to break even, and therefore buffers are more appealing outside of extremely limited situations (pretty much 1v1's, however they may occur).

Cap usuage of active reps is such that they only really work with cap boosters, and since cap boosters take up so much cargo space, its hard to impossible (dependent on ship) to pack enough to run reppers for long enough to break even with the aforementioned buffer.