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Cyber Bullying and New Zealand to pass new Bill

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#21 - 2013-11-05 15:51:07 UTC
Yendaj wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
So shooting people spaceships in a game designed to shoot people people spaceships is considered bullying.

Interesting...

People need to take things into context.... However people always fail in that regard.



You could take a leaf out of your own book with that comment.

1. This is not about shooting each other in a game aka: General gameplay
2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide incitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament.


In EvE, general game play includes scamming, strong arming, exploitation, suicide ganking, and what most players consider, harassment of your character as long as its done for in-game goals (profit, system control, market control, etc).

Harassment of your character is NOT the same thing as harassment of your person.

In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.

In EvE, inciting someone to commit suicide is a bannable offense. Furthermore, if CCP catches wind of players that suggests they are going to "commit suicide", it is my understand CCP makes sure to contact their local authorities and escalate the situtaiton. Really, CCP should ban anyone that professes such a thing in game, because they obviously are mentally ill-prepared to play this game.

P.S. Cyberbullying is the harassment of your person, in cyberspace. Harassment of your in-game character, especially harassment that doesn't leave the gaming environment (which includes EvE fansites as long as they direct it at your CHARACTER), is NOT cyberbullying.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-11-05 15:52:34 UTC
Yendaj wrote:
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
this is in C+P... why, exactly?



Because C+P is where some of the most extravagant personal attacks, harrasment and bullying occur Roll

Albeit cloaked in the mystery of pseudo "trolling" and "meme's"......Shocked


Hahaha..no, you must be new.

This C&P you speak of.....no longer exists.

It is now nothing more than Mercs on Craigs list.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-11-05 16:01:39 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


In EvE, general game play includes scamming, strong arming, exploitation, suicide ganking, and what most players consider, harassment of your character as long as its done for in-game goals (profit, system control, market control, etc).

Harassment of your character is NOT the same thing as harassment of your person.

In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.

In EvE, inciting someone to commit suicide is a bannable offense. Furthermore, if CCP catches wind of players that suggests they are going to "commit suicide", it is my understand CCP makes sure to contact their local authorities and escalate the situtaiton. Really, CCP should ban anyone that professes such a thing in game, because they obviously are mentally ill-prepared to play this game.

P.S. Cyberbullying is the harassment of your person, in cyberspace. Harassment of your in-game character, especially harassment that doesn't leave the gaming environment (which includes EvE fansites as long as they direct it at your CHARACTER), is NOT cyberbullying.


This actually makes sense.

D.

Bear

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-11-05 16:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Anslo wrote:
You lose ships. It happens. But when it comes to stalking or flat out verbal abuse or DOXing or some **** like that where it spills out of the game?

Yeah no, not cool brah.


Yeah brah, its not. But therein lies the problem. Its a game. It doesnt "spill out" of the game. If it does, you are taking things way too seriously. If your not having fun, quit. Nobody is being forced to play this.

And if the big bad EVE community is hurting their feelings, hello kitty island adventure is always there...

edit:

Also, anyone who is stupid enough to post their personal information to EVE is exactly that. Stupid. Social media is a plague. Nobody needs to know what your doing at all times of day/night, and if your a ganker/miscreant in EvE, its probly not a good idea to post your home address and contact information, because some people are just batshit crazy.

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Inignort Err
SchmeckTel Group
#25 - 2013-11-05 16:25:58 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!



The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-11-05 16:31:32 UTC
Inignort Err wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!



The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.


lol @ truth

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2013-11-05 17:21:55 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Yeah brah, its not. But therein lies the problem. Its a game. It doesnt "spill out" of the game. If it does, you are taking things way too seriously. If your not having fun, quit. Nobody is being forced to play this.

Truth. However, it still happens. Thus, should be addressed.

Quote:
And if the big bad EVE community is hurting their feelings, hello kitty island adventure is always there...

Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.

Quote:
Also, anyone who is stupid enough to post their personal information to EVE is exactly that. Stupid. Social media is a plague. Nobody needs to know what your doing at all times of day/night, and if your a ganker/miscreant in EvE, its probly not a good idea to post your home address and contact information, because some people are just batshit crazy.

The thing is, they don't even NEED to post contact information. One slip, one miss, one person who knows a person, and finding that information is easy if someone is pissed off enough. Not saying that it's a good thing that this happens, but it happens.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-11-05 17:29:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.



What?

Never said I was leet pvp... I am assuming thats what your trying to convey there. Im not "leet". I am relatively new to the game and enjoy quite a few different aspects of it. None of that changes the fact that people should not get upset over a game. So yes, if EVE is too harsh, find a new game.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-11-05 17:36:02 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.



What?

Never said I was leet pvp... I am assuming thats what your trying to convey there. Im not "leet". I am relatively new to the game and enjoy quite a few different aspects of it. None of that changes the fact that people should not get upset over a game. So yes, if EVE is too harsh, find a new game.


You see, they will fall back to that meme crap when they realize you are a threat to them.

meaning, you are able to deal with the established rules and play styles.....they can not, thus this not a fair as they are challenged and unable to adjust.
Domineren
Knights Of the Ruined Empire
#30 - 2013-11-05 17:37:46 UTC
Marexlovox wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!


Me too.

'Murica **** Yeah!

Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....

Ex-Rebirth....and miner.  Fight me.
Domineren
Knights Of the Ruined Empire
#31 - 2013-11-05 17:39:48 UTC
Inignort Err wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!



The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.

ahhhh the NSA...the only part of the government that listens!


sry for duble pst

Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....

Ex-Rebirth....and miner.  Fight me.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-05 18:31:24 UTC
Domineren wrote:
Inignort Err wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!



The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.

ahhhh the NSA...the only part of the government that listens!t

ok, that made me chuckle.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2013-11-05 18:54:07 UTC
Domineren wrote:
Inignort Err wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm proud to be an American!

Freedom!



The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.

ahhhh the NSA...the only part of the government that listens!


sry for duble pst


In this case they are reading unless they have windows 8 or Stephen Hawking and he's reading it for them then hur bur tor bul pvp

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#34 - 2013-11-05 19:24:44 UTC
Yendaj wrote:
As always, New Zealand walks to the beat of its own drum and pushes for Parliament to pass a new law crushing cyber bullies and harrasment.

Will it work? Perhaps so at a National/local level.

How will they deal with international bullies via Social Networks and even MMO's like Eve Online?

Will this be the precedent for the rest of the Western World to create and enforce these laws across the board?

If so.... What will happen to Goons, The Mittani and other people who feel harrasment, personal insults and incitement of suicide are just plain old sandbox fun and games? No mad, no sad, no bad...............

I've copped a fair amount of personal abuse, attacks and absolute defamation and utter bullshyte from many a player in this game.. would I consider it worth having someone actually charged and put in jail over....Ugh

In some cases, absolutely not, I am fully aware of how pathetic some players are and how much attention they crave..

In a few other cases, yes... Some of the personal abuse, private emails and threats I have received, I believe those few people are quite sick and deserve to spend a few months in jail contemplating their personality disorder.

Overall..... Maybe this would be a good thing for Facebook and other social network sites.... but EvE?

Perhaps just a few tweaks here and there to what we already have is needed... but outright jail sentence if a few people get their feathers ruffled... I am not so sure.

It comes down to interpretation and some softies considering the smallest slight, their biggest affront.....

How would they monitor this kind of thing, judge it?

Is it time for CCP to tighten up their ideas on personal attacks etc on public forums? What is acceptable and what is not?

Yes I think so, before our game gets destroyed by those few people who will take it to the extreme when they get a little butthurt.

Times are changing and its definitely adapt or die time...

Discuss......

Link to Article about Law Changes in New Zealand regarding Cyber Bullies


Idea



Idiots.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#35 - 2013-11-05 19:26:23 UTC
I cyber bullied Yendaj. Glad I live in Saudi Arabia where women can't even drive.

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#36 - 2013-11-05 19:30:53 UTC
.............................

What?

Straight

I got nothin'.

Can't really top reality in this case........altho I think King Canute might be chuckling in his grave.

Idea

And next for the Enzed's, passing laws forbidding the Sun to assault anyone with its vicious UV rays!!!! Because getting burned by the Sun is no joke!!!

*insert obligatory Gollum quote*

Damn I'm good...Lol

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#37 - 2013-11-05 19:46:03 UTC

I bet the guy who proposed that law rage quit Eve.

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Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#38 - 2013-11-05 19:58:42 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
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In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.


you would think so but GM really do not care, if some one posts your IP address, DDOS you, posts your email address links to your Facebook profile and generally act like a creepy stalker.

now if they say they are gonna hunt you down and beat you outside the game they do care tho...
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#39 - 2013-11-05 20:11:20 UTC
It's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission? I'm sure this applies in here somewhere?

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus."

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#40 - 2013-11-05 20:15:31 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
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In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.


you would think so but GM really do not care, if some one posts your IP address, DDOS you, posts your email address links to your Facebook profile and generally act like a creepy stalker.

now if they say they are gonna hunt you down and beat you outside the game they do care tho...


I've witnessed players temp banned for racial slurs in local.

Truth is, I'm not sure posting your IP address crosses any line. Many larger corps use IP addresses to hunt down spies, and this is very much considered part of the meta game.

DDOS are illegal most places, and I'm certain CCP doesn't support it. At the same time, I think such activity is generally beyond the ability of CCP to verify, and hence they don't have any grounds to levy bans.

Also, how exactly are people ascertaining your email address and facebook profiles, unless they are linking those to their character. Character harassment is generally acceptable within limits, while player harassment is not acceptable. Players that blur the line, by linking your character, corp, and alliance on facebook, posting their email in their character bio, must accept those modes of communication then become about the character, not about the player. There is still a line, like you can harass a character to an unacceptable and punishable level, but you also need to have some thick skin on the matter.
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