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This actually sounds really good.

The ascendency implants are going to make the warp speed of a ceptor pilot utterly insane. I wonder how quickly such a pilot could cross the entire galaxy after this.

Can we please have Ghost sites to NOT use the rediculus mini-hacking game?

The only thing worse that waiting for your module to spin around for 5 minuts and then loot a container, is to have to wait while a friend solves this single-player game in a MMO and wait for containers to catch..
Also.. When you multiply the hacking game with the 15-20 containers you find in w-space sites... Lets just say that your current PI minigame is more fun.. (the hacking mini-game shows that your Dev's simply doesn't know the meaning of "fun" )

So please, no more singleplayer mini-game crap in EVE...... Ever...

Sounds pretty fun! Would have been nice to see this sort of game play in conjunction with DED Plexes, but I suppose this will do. There has to be some sort of catch.







Ah! You almost got me! Almost though these were going to be cool; something to break up the monotony of constantly crushing rats to get enough money to buy new PVP ships.

You know, we don't even bother to run the hacking/relic sites as it is anymore. The have literally become the butt of every mean spirited joke told about CCP and EVE.

Well at least you wont have to worry about losing too many players over it since all the explorer people already left after the changes to the hacking and relic sites last "upgrade" . As for me, just another site to add to the growing list of sites to ignore.

Could have been cool, CCP. Could have been real cool... But you let us down again. Kind of sad that I have learned to expect this sort of thing.

I know right! Its too bad that DEVs will never open a link that isn't to another CCP/EVE site.

Eve should be more like chess. Where skill and strategy over shadow luck. Hacking stands in stark contrast to skill and strategy.

Think if chess was played that way. Say you want to move the knight in to checkmate the other player. However, in order to move the piece you have to play a mini-game. A maze filled with few helpful components and numerous counter productive components; never the same, always random. If you are lucky enough (because there is no map or formulated way to solve these mazes) you can reach the end and move your piece. If you are unlucky the counter productive components will kick you out of the maze. Don't worry though, you get two tries. If you fail the second time, you lose your piece. Not because you planed poorly or your opponent was better than you; no, you lost your piece because you weren't lucky enough to find the end of the maze.

I wish CCP would realize that the more skill, the more strategy, that you put in to a game the better it is. The more luck of the draw that you put into a game the worse it is.

But CCP doesn't listen. Before you know it, there will be a Panda upgrade in some feeble attempt to gain some sort of member base. Because Pandas are cool, right?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/09/so-it-goes-world-of-warcraft-loses-1-3-million-more-subs/

Guess not.

If things don't change, that's EVE in about a year.

This should be fun.



Well that is not really true. You have to look at the site as a whole. Yes the activation of the modules portion may be "less skillful" than the current way of doing things. Not to say that there is much skill involved by blindly reaching into the white sock drawer and trying to pull out the single black sock (to quote an old math problem).

The old sites had rats. Not to say that there aren't enough ratting sites as it is. Depending on where you are, the rats would be harder or easier. Some areas that had the good stuff needed a fleet of people just based on the fact that if you were to lose a mid slot on your ship then you wouldn't be able to tank the rats on your own.

Now days you can run the sites in a frig with little to no worries (CCP officials have assured me that rats can spawn anywhere) . The most skill involved is trying to collect the loot spooge that sprays out of... well you know where. And even that is dumb. It is not good enough that you were lucky and finished the maze; now you have to be the worlds best soccer player to round up as many of the balls of loot spooge you can always knowing that you wont get most of them. You just have to make sure you grab the right ones. All this means is that the idea of not being rewarded for doing every thing right a possibility but it almost makes it a standard. I could go into the psychological effects of not being rewarded for work but i only have about 3000 characters left at this point and a lot more to write.



Yeah, it is that easy. Here is what I thought of just sitting here:

Multiple ship hacking.

Say that every container needs a certain amount of (for example) processing. Now make new modules (Tech 1, Tech 2, faction, small medium and large) each with x amount of processing power scaled appropriately. Limit 1 module per ship and have fitting requirements where large modules can not be fit on small ships (like turrets and the like). There will be rats. These sites belong to their faction right? So it makes sense that they would have guard ships there.

How it would work:

Say that there is a container that requires 10 units of processing to unlock. Small modules produce 1 unit of processing, medium produce 5 and large produce 10. So you could use 10 frigs, or 2 cruisers, or one battle ship. As the loot in the containers get better it become harder to break into with an increase of number of processing units to break into the container as well as resistance of rats.

Each container will open like a jet can would. No loot spooge... ever. EVER!

This will force players to form fleets. Not to say that some sites couldn't be run alone but the ones in low and null security will have better loot and therefore will need to be harder. If you say that there is no skill in fleets then you must be an AFK miner. Outside of the market, fleets are one of the hardest skills to master.

On top of that there will be skills to use the modules, maybe some advanced skills to add bonuses to the modules. Maybe there could even be a new line of ships that bonus the modules. Perhaps just re-purpose some old ships.

No luck involved, just skill.

It's not perfect but its better than a mini-game. I shouldn't have to help my ship do it's work. I would hate to lose a ship because I didn't play the missile launching mini-game right. The mini-game is a bad sign of things to come. I said that last time when this first came up during the launch of Odyssey. It leaves way too much to chance and there is no way to bypass it with skills (both in game and personal).

Where the Mini-game would be good is if they ever get the stations open there can be things like slot machines or gambling rooms, ect.... I think it would be fun to be able to enter other people's rooms with out them letting you in and in side the station you don't have your ship to do the work for you. That would be a perfect place for a mini-game hacking scenario.

Exodus - the comic was for you, not for CCP.

If you take the time to psycho analyze the comic, it's making fun of the 'chess pro' NOT the game of chess. (you would be the chess pro that thinks chess is a poorly thought out game)

That being said, I'm not a fan of the hacking mini game. I am a fan of Cryo Kool - he's constructive.

I'm not a fan of Exodus - he's personally made up some expectations and is being quite negative to CCP for not meeting what he made up. (HINT: You are the guy on the left in this one)

http://xkcd.com/1232/

I've psycho analyzed both characters in great detail. I'll bring the full weight of my pop psychology background to bear for the benefit of all. Cyro is awesome. During his formative years his parents taught him the meaning of NO and made him comfortable with appreciating what he is given. He doesn't require instant gratification and doesn't feel the need to attempt to tear down things when they don't go his way. If he does his best and doesn't get a cookie - it's ok, he knows he did a good job and that is enough. He's a cool guy and fun to hang out with. Babies laugh in his presence and puppies pick him out of a crowd.

The hacking mini game has a couple of facets. I don't like doing it. It's not fun for me. (these are my personal negatives) It takes time to hack things, so folk who do the mini game are stuck in harms way (I'm a wh gal) where I can destroy all their stuff (this is a persona positive).

It's kind of cool that DEVs interact with folks on the forums and are making public adjustments based on player feedback - thanks for that.

It's kind of funny that the folks who go with 'CCP is teh suxors and stupid, you NEED to change XXXXX' don't realize how their bad approach gets them little to nothing - thanks for that also.

With few exceptions, walking around pointing out problems without offering a workable solution is the very definition of whining. This is especially true when you are knowledgeable on the topic. It is no wonder CCP stops replying to these threads after 10 or so pages. It always seems to devolve into off topic discussion and personal insult exchanges.

Anyone who has worked in a large corporation should already be aware that the people directly in contact with the customer rarely have the final word on any changes. It is good that CCP seems to actually listen to feedback even if it doesn't always result in an improvement. The best thing we can do is remain professional and offer a workable solution to any problems we point out. Getting upset or pointing fingers will just put them on the defensive and cause them to shut down with regard to our input on the topic. Saying you are going to cancel your account or that loads of people are going to leave isn't really productive; especially when the subscriber numbers reflect otherwise.

As with any change, someone will always be displeased with the result.

Hold on I thought this was going to an Out Of Pod experience where our avatars can explore wreaks in space a la the one described at the Fan Fest?

This sounds ok but hardly anything worthy of being called an expansion.

When are you guys going to actually start developing real changes in Eve and expanding the gameplay out of the Pod? The original vision for the game was not one that revolved just on space ships...when the tech was available the idea was to move out of ship. Well the tech is certainly there now. Lets do it CCP!

The problem here is that I've done nothing of the sort. I did not criticize anything except CCP's unwillingness to respond to questions that are relevant to other questions that received responses (post 240). Reread my posts in this thread. I don't who in particular you think you're responding to, but it's not supposed to be me, so it strikes me as irrelevant. My stance is in principle.

If you're responding to the posters in general via me, you would need to demonstrate that it is indeed my own aversion to rabbit and not the chef's mishandling of the frypan, not just claim it's possible I just don't like rabbit; otherwise, it's contributing very little. I'd be open to discussing the evidence, but then in my case I'd be forced to argue it's a form of lobbying, subjective by default and necessity. I want what I want, that being a response to why there are goddamned pirates in my wormhole.

My bio is irrelevant to your point, and is, if judged by my posts, not even my own writing.

I appreciate that you are supporting my efforts to address a perceived issue with the lore. It would be great if CCP had solid explanations for everything. To address your reply though, pirate factions are by definition outlaws. As such their activities most certainly avoid concord when possible. Give the scale of "the Seyllin Incident" it is impossible that pirate factions do not know that wh's and wh space exist. Even if unaware of "the Seyllin Incident" their pirating and looting activities would have eventually made them notice the pod pilot activity associated with them. Over time there is no doubt in my mind that they would have found wh space to be a useful place to put covert research facilities. The sleepers themselves would have ensured that the pirates didn't exist anywhere the sleepers already occupied (belts and so forth). Over time I expect that the pirate faction will engage in their own research of sleeper technology to upgrade their own ships; alternatively steal the tech from empire factions as it gets implemented into their fleet ships.

See: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shattered_Planets#The_Seyllin_Incident
500 million dead and the planet was destroyed; molten shards. Multiple planets were shattered across eve and the wh network was opened as a result.