Ships & Modules

there's no need to argue, just use your onboard scanner. tengus fuckin everywhere. the only thing preventing this ship from become ubiquitous like the drake is the price. noobs cant afford it.

No...

Oops I definitely meant the Curse/Zealot

A tweak to heavy missiles (maybe a 60km - 70km MAX range)

A buff to the proteus, (maybe a decent drone sub), the incoming rail / blaster fixes.

Loki is pretty solid as it is.

Legion, Theres something wrong with it but cant quite put my finger on it. Maybe trying to compare it to the tengu is the problem. Either way I love the HAM Fit and its my main-stay pvp ship. The covert ops sub could use a rework definitely.

I dont think its the ship itself that needs a nerf. Heavy Missiles however do. There damage is too high for there range which renders HAMs useless and gives them an advantage over other weapon systems.

HMs need a range OR damage nerf.

Actually, that holds true for the Tengu as well - it just happen to have roles that YOU value.

Now, you're not alone in enjoying those roles, but saying it's more flexible is pretty rash. I had this discussion the other day with a friend who was complaining about the Drake and the Abaddon (who share the appeal with damage- and resistance bonuses ontop of a moderate reach weapon system). I said the same thing to him and i noted it in another recent thread on these forums: if simply tanking and projecting moderate damage with moderate reach is too good, maybe the devs should look at evolving mechanics instead of tweaking the details of ships?

All the other tech III ships can make perfect use of their EW-subsystems, the Tengu quickly fall short of it's Recons when trying to, and by extension that makes both the Loki and Proteus excellent scouts and tacklers (as well as specialist support, alongside the Legion, who clock in as the second best mass neutralizer in the game for small-scale capital fights).

While there is the bastardized armor-ECM Tengu, both the Loki and Proteus are far more versatile in their choice of tank and maintaining roles when adapting to gangs with an "off-" tank.

Now, if your world revolves around running missions in empire, exploring or sitting in an above average (resource-wise) blob - then yes, the Tengu will have roles that you value.

If you engage in any more advanced PvE or PvP, you will see that there are equal or better options in other races and other classes.

Being only so slightly advantageous in a narrow but popular role is hardly the reason to nerf something. The same things apply the other way when there are calls out to nerf popular things like L4 missions. It's equally pointless doing that.

Almost agree with your opinion if overall this single change wouldn't affect it that much.

I'd rather see the base heavy missile stats nerfed such has flight time.
This single stat makes each and every ship using it very versatile, cut the base flight time for about 50% keep all other stats.

Increase base impact speed for ham's for 20 or 40% (just an idea, not sure it's enough) and reduce explosion radius of those by 25% + base dmg increase 10% so they become interesting to use and make many missile ships other than caldari interesting to fly.

Taking away HM range won't help the Proteus or Loki become competitive mission boats.

Having T3s out performed by T2s is dumb.

Ishtar vs Proteus : / Now if they gave the Proteus 125mb and a bigger drone bay, it would actually be good.

I'd love to see the proteus with a dedicated drone boat set up.