Ships & Modules

Hi there!

I'm on the verge of entering the wonderful world of L4 running and iskies gaining, and I'm ready to hop on my first (standard) battleship. I've put my eyes on the Armageddon and the Dominix, since I have fairly good drone skills and experience on drone boat PVE.

However, I can't decide on which one take first. I have BPC's for both, as well as enough minerals, but since I don't have the iskies to own both and I don't want to start all the mining again for the other one (at least for now), I need to make a good decision.

I'm well aware of their differences (I've been looking for information on the Internet); what I'm asking for is the opinions of people that has been using both (or at least one of them) in L4 missions. Since Odyssey came not so long ago, it's difficult to find good comparisons.

My personal points on both are the following:

- Dominix: its bonus makes sentry drone sniping much easier. Its extra med slot, compared to the Geddon, allows it to also use a Sensor Booster, increasing sniping effectiveness, or a MJD and an AB (although after a quick test on SiSi I realized I didn't need the MJD at all). It's also a bit faster than the Geddon. However, I don't find its hull as pretty as that of the Geddon.

- Armageddon: not only has slighty more armor HP, but its vampire range bonus allows it to better maintain an active tank by draining NPC's (just allow a cruiser/BS to get close enough, drain it and kill it last). It has launcher slots, allowing it to better adapt to damage types. Also, it has an extra high slot compared to the Dominix, which allows it to fit a vampire without sacrificing Drone Link Augmentors or Tractor Beams. I happen to like the hull and its name (lol) more than the Dominix, but it doesn't have the amazing sniping abilities of the blue one.

My idea was to fit either of them as this: Linkie. I'd be focusing my DPS on drones, leaving some high slots for useful tractor beams and drone link augmentors. If I sense I could be using more DPS, or my drones are getting too much aggro, I'd swap some high slots for turrets or launchers.

So, based in your own experiences with them, which one would you recommend me? Thanks in advance!

Dominix is the better choice because of the sentry drone optimal + tracking bonus, it really makes a huge difference. This means that you can make Gardes project out to 80km as well as 5 350mm Railguns which bring your dps to 800+ at 80km. The NOS bonus on the geddon to help tanking doesn't really play a role because with the Domi setup you won't have any problems with tanking anyway. Similarly, the tractor/salvagers don't really come into play either since it's not really going to net you any significant additional income and using the Domi to complete missions faster will earn you more money (tip: use ProSynergy to salvage instead).

Yes it looks like a giant potato/turd, but it is a really great L4 mission ship.

For a dedicated drone boat, domi wins hands down. If your cap needs nos, you're doing something wrong.

I've been running a domi with:

Highs: 5x drone link augmentor, 1x small gun
Mids: 3x omnidirectional tracking link, 1x MJD, 1x sensor booster
Lows: 4x drone damage amp, 1x EANM, 1x reactive hardener, 1x LAR
Rigs: 3x CCC


Could tweak it a tad to get more tank, especially if you want to refit for mission specific hardeners, but I'm too lazy for that. Have done every L4 with ease given by federation navy and sisters of eve L4 agents.

For the price, I really don't see getting a better mission runner. Only stuff I've found with better dps/projection is pirate BS/CNR

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The only thing I might change is replace a CCC with a nano pump and add a tractor beam instead of a DLA since 5 is a bit overkill.

Be advised you're going to be pulling drones in and out so this may get aggravating.

The Geddon is surpassed by the Dominix in PvE yes, but that doesn't mean it needs a buff, PvE is not everything and the neut bonus on the Geddon is very helpful in PvP.

PVP is the main focus of Eve. PVE is just a method to gain ISK to fund it. The Apocalypse is awesome for PVE in Amarr space and the Paladin is about to be uber awesome after Rubicon (I hope). If you want the king of PVE that's Caldari due to you can pick your damage type and range isn't an issue.

Default to the regular.

If you have excellent hybrid/gunnery skills, consider the navy version. Be aware that even if it has higher theoretical DPS, the hull won't help nearly as much in applying that DPS. It's a far less comfortable boat.

It's not just a tracking speed bonus but also an optimal range bonus that the regular Dominix gets. This is a big deal when you want to keep at range but still use the higher DPS sentry drones. I think the regular Dominix is a better choice for missions.

Curators do same damage to bloods/sansha as gardes, bouncers are better on angels, and both serp and gurista are weaker to kin than thermal, ie its always made sense to use racials at longer ranges, and when wardens are appropriate, its nothing like the raw dps number as the actual penalty (more like 10% instead of 30% if you just went on the multiplier).

Navy domi has more grid, so getting 6 guns onto it is easier (for mid-range fits) as is getting 425s on it to max out the reach of antimatter.

Whether you pick the Dominix or the Armageddon is rather a matter of preference and whether you wish to deal thermal damage or not.

Overall I would throw out that the Dominix is overall designed to be used with Gardes II Sentries and most suited for PvE activities.

I fight against Sansha rats and rather enjoy utilizing Curator II Sentries with EM-damage from a 100km distance and snipe.
Well, I use the Armargeddon.
I thought about crosstraining to the Dominix because its extra mid slot and its boni are so juicy and entirely designed to make the most use of Sentries, however, I did not follow this idea any further.
Reason being that with the Guardes II-Dominix I would have a attack range less than 100 km, and with Curators II far larger attack range than I would need. Thus the training would not be really worth it.

I deal around 750 Drone-DPS with the Armageddon and can pretty much AFK-rat, which is fine by me.

Would I need or want to fight at shorter ranges than 90-100km and fall under the optimal range of Gardes II's, then I would definitely take the time and train for the Dominix.

However, if you plan to run L4 missions, then you will often end up in close proximity of hostiles, and this condition already favors the Dominix over the Armageddon.
BUT...As far as I know, the cap drainage of cap vampire modules do not work anymore on the rats, I am not sure though, for I do not use them. if they work and can help to maintain 2-3 Armor reppers, possibly 1-2 Armor reppers and an AAR, then the Armageddon could indeed become a very interesting choice, maybe even better than the Dominix.
However, I do not have much experience with L4 missions and assume they are far easier to tank than nullsec Haven anomalies and combat sites that I am used and referring to.

As stated, its all a matter of preference. You can fit both ships in a way to suit your needs, depending on your playstyle.
To me it matters how ships look like, and the Dominix looks like an ugly, dirty shoe and I just do not like to fly such an ugly ship.