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Recently, i have been advocating for work on the mining of eve and the love it needs (mostly in the Features and Ideas); It seems that more people in other posts are doing so (not because of me). Current mining is suffering and needs CCP to look at, and look at it not from the isk/hour idea that most people see it as.

Is mining "safe" compared to other professions? Yes it is, but other professions have more options available to them. Look at Nullsec ratting. People lose ships in there, but there are also people capable of bringing more secure ships like carriers that don't even take a scratch except when hostile players shoot them.

So is mining safe when other people can bring more ships or new tactics that dramatically increase their survivability and income at the same time and receive the same risks?

Mining is dependent on the player run market when you assume isk/hour, while NPCs are not, they receive the static bounties on them. So how can we balance it? we can't and i accept that unless something about rat bounties change, and this i am not advocating.

What I want to see is a rebalance of the mining profession all together. Many of the Modules, LP store, and distribution of the minerals are problematic or useless:

Little things issues:
Ore Miners: Only a range bonus, this is not exactly useful in mining, yes range is nice, but the asteroids are not running away.
Harvesting Implants: The low-grade set for harvesting is again a Range bonus, not useful for the price.
Modulated Miners: This module is unlocked at mining level 5, however you can not use any of the ammo for it. You would otherwise suffer a loss using it
Mining Crystals: Required for modulated mining lasers but takes 31 day for just all tech 1 crystals, twice that for tech 2. Does not have any mining skill prereqs.
Mining Drones: While yes, some people do use them, they seem to be pretty lacking in comparison to others mining ways.

Larger issues:
Limited tech tree: There is a large gap in effective ships to use. Current mining ships make a plausible expansion of the tree difficult without making other ships obsolete or increasing the new ship's risk. (new content like my resent post of how to expand the resouce gathering tree)
Null sec Industry pt1: The difficulty for the 0.0 industrial index is far too difficult to maintain and raise. Even if it is raised, there is such a small if non-existent benefit for it.
Null sec Industry pt2: While the Idea of removing the need to scan down the asteroid clusters seemed like a good idea, the already vulnerable and easy to kill miners will have even more problems living with their limited tree after the warp speed changes. The now ultra slow haulers who are mid-warp will be extremely likely to die with an interceptor (who is now nullified) waiting in the belt.
Null sec Industry pt3: Mexallon, while i like the interdependence for null and empire, there is still a massive deficit in null.
Skill Tree: Skills, ship skills not included, related directly to mining are limited to (exception to drone bonuses) 7 skills. With mining crystals its 23 (prereqs like refining not included). needs to be streamlined and some expansion would be nice, like a mining ROF reduction and range bonus skills.

Now you may say that i am focusing on nullsec mining. This is true, I am because i think that Nullsec is what needs the help for the profession the most. Highsec i am fine with, the concord support is safe enough in my opinion and the fact you only have to deal with npc frigates is not much of a problem. Any issues in highsec would be solved with the little things changes.


The point is at the end of this, does CCP truly understand the issue with this profession, which is necessary for the EVE game play to build things for people to blow up now that drone poo is gone? Does CCP even plan on acting on this profession without brushing it off? Will the CSM push for an overhaul on this section of the game-play which needs it?

Mining is hopelessly one-dimensional and passive, and the whole process would benefit from a complete reworking to inject some variety and activity rather than miners warping in, activating lasers, and going AFK for 30 minutes.

It does need a complete rework.

Problem is:
I really dont know how you guys mine, because I cant be afk mining for that kind of time. I imagine that you mine alone, with no fleet, no bonus, with one mining laser in an industrial, because if you have a fleet with a mining leadership at least foreman, you will fill the cargohold of any mining dedicated ship in a few minutes. I am not aware of any way you can automatically get ore from your ore hold to somewhere else. If you can take 5, 10 minutes afk mining, sure your yield is the drawback of your lack of actions while mining.

Mining cant be "FUN". Mining is what mining is. You mention null sec, so you gotta be having Rorq support and a minimum of 1.7k cicle to be complaining, and that cant let you be doing something else and maximizing your ore acquisition. If you mine alone in null sec with non miner ship, you are just wasting time.

While I agree that mining need some love, I cant possibly think a way that the mechanics of mining would change to be "fun", unless they do the same crap they did with Hacking and Archeology, and you need to "click" mineral clusters in an asteroid and the laser will pick that up, and you do the "farmville style" mining, which will make mining mining just needing more clicks but not actually making it more enjoyable, just like Hacking and Archeology.

My thread about mining is now open again for discussion which contains a variety of methods to diversify mining methods. Also further down that thread are links to other threads that have awesome ideas, too.

Many things could be done with mining, alas, nothing is done.

Simple answer: minigame should add hidden cookies to make it more interesting. A 'find' in the ice, if you can recover it.

But don't worry lads, there is hope! Go over to Star Citizen and get their devs to fess up to the mining design there, and critique it properly. I love EVE Online, but let's get real. Pay to play 10 year old game with Eve Valkyrie as an extra add-on vs first person new game modeled heavily on EVE ... new players are simply not going to join EVE once Star Citizen hits, because let's be blunt, EVE the game is often unplayable. Repeated server cluster crashes in nullsec sov warfare battles, unplanned emergency downtimes, unplanned extended downtimes every night this week it feels like ... that's just not going to cut it.

So yes, keep the ideas rolling. But time to think outside EVE now, because love it or hate it, that is where things seem to be heading fast.

Mining is safe - You make less isk but lose less.
Everything else has risk, - You make more isk but lose more.

I don't see the problem here.

no one cares erotica, ive been to null to do industry and couldnt do it there because of having to be on CTAs everyday far from alliance space guarding another alliance space, and if your not your threatened with being kicked out of the alliance


edit: by the way good post OP

sure, as soon as guns only cycle once and stop aswell.

You think mining is dull . Don't mine .

Tired of having to defend a play style .

Meh the more threads I read the more pointless it all seems .

Change seems to be the constant in these discussions

I seriously wonder if eve will be around in 10 years .