EVE General Discussion

"Like" this comment if you think CCP should redesign the Phoenix to naturally look like a burnt-out wreck, so the server doesn't have to do the work of transforming them *WHEN* they die.

Either you are a really bad troll, or just really stupid. Yes cit torps may get the highest volley slightly above that of an artil nag, but this is NOT good for POS bashing. For POS bashing you want raw unadulterated DPS. It does not matter if it is slow fire or fast higher, all that really matters is the DPS. If you are shooting the POS, it's one big targer that takes a while to whittle down, and the fact is that while you will get around 7.5~8 K DPS with a cit torp going out 60 K max and can NOT be extended. The Blaster moros of same fit gets around 20 K optimal 50 K falloff (well within the 30 K range for POS bashing) at 12.9 K DPS. The moros is roughly 60 % higher DPS than a torp phoenix. The only way the Phoenix really outshines is for the tiny bit of range between 50~60 K where both can still hit, but the moros DPS dips beneath the flatline phoenix DPS. Within the 0~45 K range though the moros is obviously superior without a doubt.

If your going to do that you may as well also make it a Minmatar ship.

I prefer the pheonix over any other dread, only cause well missiles hit everything, in a straight 1 vrs 1 dread vrs dread a pheonix will prolly come out on top, as it has the abilitys to swap damage types easily.

CCP, why don't you just shoe-horn every ship into the game into what I want/expect it to be instead of making me look for alternative things/other ways of using it? Please. Thank you.

You'll need to increase the explosion velocity too. Or you'll find Titans speed tanking citadel cruises.

lets pretend like the majority of alliances aren't all armor tanking logis and caldari are not useless bastards no one bothers undocking, the basilisk isn't even cap stable the game balance is only existent in the minds of winmatar and gallente pilots.

Don't bother training for anything other than those two alpha races.

So rapid it rips a hole in the space time continuum and sends missiles back in time to kill the enemies momma so the kid won't grow up to destroy skynet.

This is the only way to fix the Phoenix.

You have a .0027% chance of critting with all 3 guns in the same volley if memory serves, I think my personal best was ~100k >_>

That said, the pheonix needs a buff, but I'm not holding my breath.

The notion of dreads being for engaging towers is as old as it is wrong, the mechanics behind structure bashing in general just don't mesh at well with how dreads work. A Phoenix could do twice the damage of a Moros to towers and still be a worse dread, because in structure bashes the structure itself isn't the dangerous thing, and taking a bit longer to kill it is a small price to pay for the ability to deal with the people who inevitably show up to defend it. The notion of dreads being used as siege weapons is flawed, because siege weapons don't really have a use when people can't actually fight from behind their walls.

Leave the Phoenix as is. It's the ultimate structure bashing dread. It sucks at everything else because of that. It has it's one purpose, just leave it at that.