Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cost of hull/fittings should never be reason to balance a game mechanic. A Chremoas costs 50 Billion, yet can be destroyed by a single 100M frigate.

The pilot of this freighter should have used game mechanics to protect his assets. Like ECM. Like logistics. Like anti-gank ships. Like webbers.



Yes, because gankers know the game mechanics and play together with friends to achieve a common goal. Why do you want to punish them?



Please show me the lvl4 mission fit that can be profitably destroyed by a 15Mill ship. Or the gank fit that can destroy a freighter for 15 Mill.



My incursion alt has never been ganked. I've never lost a ship running incursions. I made more than 20 Billion ISK already - without risk. Then again, I take steps to protect my assets and I never fly what I can't afford to lose.



That would remove suicide ganking as a profession from Eve. Why is this needed?

Citation. Because the metrics pulled from the killboards do not support this assertion
(NOTE: on killboards you are only seeing the successful ganks... not all the ganks that have been attempted. But given that so many freighters and missions ships fly around everyday and only a small amount show up per month it is a very safe assumption that the problem is not endemic the way you think it is).

And the risks of a suicide gank were already explained.
And just to point out... not all "risk" comes in quantifiable dollar/ISK values. "Time wasted" is another risk (as I somewhat alluded to in the post I linked).


It's a two-way street here.
A GOOD freighter pilot knows when he/she might become a potential target before ever undocking.
A GOOD freighter pilot can also calculate how much damage is needed to kill him/her and what would be needed to tip the odds in his/her favor.
A GOOD freighter pilot knows when he/she will need outside support if a high value load needs to be moved.

It's a cat and mouse game. Both sides are always trying to tip things in their favor.


What about scammers? Racketeers? AWOXers? Corp thieves? Corp scammers? Spies? Explorers? Planetary Interaction?

Outside of lost time and maybe a few million ISK in ships and/or fees... these professions risk almost nothing for potentially large rewards.


Freedom Equality wrote:
A mechanic needs to be introduced so on occasion, no matter how well a Suicide Gank team is, over a one month period they end up losing ISK. Then we can say they take as much ISK as any other profession.

Does this mean that if people run missions all the time then eventually it will become unprofitable too? Because if you aren't using a "bling-fit" there is no risk with that (seriously... if you die to level 4 mission NPCs that isn't risk... that's stupidity).

Distribution agents? Will those be nuked as well?

What about high-sec PI? Characters sit in NPC corps and just farm planets... pulling in what is essentially a passive income stream that cannot be bombed or otherwise interrupted.

If we want to be fair here... might as well be fair across the board!



edit: I'm starting to get the impression that OP is either a massive troll or a "true believer" (see: doesn't matter what anyone else says because what I say is right and matters!).

Ganking has been changed over the years several times mate. The current iteration is about as warm and fuzzy as it gets.

HTFU and quit crying or keep it up and become the target of the many gankers looking to harvest tears. Your choice.

If a bling ship is ganked - as a lot of them are - the person running mission will lose a lot of ISK.

Everything that needs to be moved can also be Suicide Ganked.

The only ones not getting ganked are the Suicide Gankers. A mechanic needs to be in place for them too!

Citation.


Otherwise your words (and your entire argument) have no meaning.

It is, but for a much lower return. Who wants to Suicide Ganks will gank a more profitable target... like a bling mission ship or a freighter....

Ganking a Suicide Gank fit destroyer.... that is in the middle of a Suicide Gank squad... vs. ganking a lone mining barge alone in a belt.

Ganking the destroyer would actually be risky. Why risk when you can pick a no-risk target?

The destroyers has his Suicide Gank buddies with him... as it is normal for a Suicide Gank destroyer.

The mining barge has no army of destroyers guarding it... as it is normal for a mining barge in High Sec.

This discussion is pointless, most suicide gank destroyers are flown by outlaws and so you can't suicide gank them ;)

I agree, a spike in Suicide Ganks would help this get more attention fast.

But having all the people doing Suicide Ganking here posting and giving us the numbers is a good way to spread the information out there.

Everyone knows that the victim loses a lot of money, but i doubt most know how little ISK a Suicide Ganker risks and how much he gains. And there is nothing stopping them, there is no real way to disrupt them except play dead.(use minimal value fittings/stay docked/only carry items of less value than your hull value in the cargohold etc.)

They came here suggesting you use a logistic alt/use friends when moving a freighter and so on while claiming they have little to no impact....

But my question is, if there are so few ganks and people can avoid them so easily, why does Red Frog Freight limit its value per freighter to 1 bil? Why everyone on the forums advises mission runners not to fit deadspace modules as they will get Suicide Ganked?

Truth is, Suicide Ganking has a very real and noticeable effect in EVE. No matter what the Suicide Gankers want you to think.