Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice argument... should probably note it and use it for every occasion. OP, do you exist?

Griefing is griefing, doesn't matter how you paint it.

They're not "1b-ISK dump trucks", they're bulk haulers. Their purpose is to haul massive quantities of stuff, not massively valuable cargo.

Filling them to the brim with something with a relatively low value:volume ratio, such as raw materials, is their intended use, what they're designed for. Filling them to the brim with something valuable is not.

There are specialized haulers in the game designed for transporting valuable stuff, and there are specialized haulers in the game designed to have (comparably) good defenses.

Stop bringing RL topics (especially ones involving murder and suicide) into a video game discussion. They are not the same thing, they cannot be compared at all.

Blowing up someones internet space ship deprives them of nothing that affects their quality of life outside the game.

Doesn't matter how you paint it.

By this standard we should do the following to EVE...

- break up corporate monopolies in EVE... because they stomp all over the competition and prevent new businesses from growing.
- stop people from manipulating the market (because it causes unjustified "economic hardship" for those affected).
- stop price gouging and fixing.
- stop all high-sec wars.
- have the NPC empires go out into null-sec and wipe out the players who live there (because they are warlords who potentially threaten the security of empire space).
- have the NPCs or GMs severely punish all players who steal from corps and alliances.
- ban anyone with <= -5.0 security status to access or use anything in empire space (high-sec or low-sec).
- outlaw the sale and use of all weapons in empire space outside of special "shooting zones" and self-defense.


These things are good in RL because they [mostly] prevent potential negative effects on the lives of many, many people.
However... this is a game where there are no "true" negative effects**. You character never dies. You can never be "removed" from the game (unless you violate the EULA and TOS). The only thing you can lose here is time and effort... which, in a grander sense, you are losing anyways because you are playing a game and not something actually productive in the real world.

** when I say "'true' negative effects" I am referencing to things that would affect a person's quality of life and/or physical health. The only things that can ever be hurt in a game, especially an online game, is pride and personal sense of ethics.
Moreover...
- If your pride is getting hurt over a game then it is time for you to step away from the computer and do something to "center" yourself. It's a game. The objective is to be better compared to others... not have the game make you better.
- if your personal sense of ethics and justice are being offended by activities in a game then step away from the computer and do a reality check. Games often do "what if" scenarios where commonly held ethics are scrapped or twisted to create a story or setting for you to exist in. It is not RL. It never will be RL. Get over it.

Why is this change needed? Among all high-sec professions, suicide gankers already have the highest risk associated with theirs.

A suicide ganker can pick its target. It stands to lose 15mil if the gank fails.

A freighter loses at least 1 bil for the hull + the cargo.

How can you say there is more risk for the Suicide Ganker? Most ganks are a success.

The Suicide Ganker can decide when and who to attack, has time to figure out if it is worth attacking and can calculate the damage needed. And, in the unlikely event a gank fails, the Suicide Gankers pays 15mil.

The freighter pilot pays 1bil-1.5bil for the hull + the cargo value.

In truth, suicide gankers make profit from day one and they never risk losing more than than they won via Suicide Ganking.

The other professions always risk to lose a lot more, not matter how carefully they plan.


A mechanic needs to be introduced so on occasion, no matter how well a Suicide Gank team is, over a one month period they end up losing ISK. Then we can say they take as much ISK as any other profession.

A random mechanic would be preferred. I am sure CCP can think of something.

Just because people are good at managing risk does not mean it isn't there.

I have never been killed while driving a car, doesn't mean it can't happen.

How would you know? You seem to have difficulty with facts and numbers.


We are still waiting by the way. If ganks are so profitable and easy, why are they so rare?