Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So why don't you attack our freighter after it has scooped the loot? Afterall, you have being arguing that it is an easy thing to do and with the crimewatch changes you have a much easier time than the gankers. When CCP announced the crimewatch changes you bears were positively giddy with joy and made merry on the forums declaring an end to freighter ganks because nobody was going to risk scooping the loot in a freighter!

And now you are back, begging for just one more nerf.

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Maintaining the fidelity of the message intended in the post is important, and while I did quote the offending posts, I did not call either of them out on it directly. Though I do too believe it is important to denote the difference between what was written and what was meant. If it were written only once I would not have given it a second thought, though it was in fact written twice by two different entities. Even assuming that one man wrote it knowing the correct meaning, it does not mean the second did, or vice versa.
If what you suggest were the case then it would seem perhaps they are simply attacking the OP for reasons other than his post, which is not the point of this discussion, nor even the true point of my own post, merely a segue to the meat of the topic at hand.

You still haven't explained why you cant just do it yourself. We've spelled out how. But you appear to want CCP to play the game for you.

To be fair that has been one of my points.

Sure, the law of large numbers says suicide ganking makes you money, but in any single instance that does not have to hold.

Unfortunately somebody in this thread is an innumerate.

In the end, I guess you are right. Hoping he'll suddenly grasp the laws of probability and see this point is probably a fool's errand.

Indeed.

Do you also remember the nerf suicide gankers insurance threads too?
The cries for this nerf included:
"There is no risk in ganking with insurance."
"Gankers will cry over this change and we will be happy."
"This will stop suicide ganking as it adds risk."
"It's all we want to change is insurance, there will be no need for more."

The funny thing is, many of us supported that change. But many of us also laughed and said it wouldn't stop and you'll be back to ask for more nerfs.

It is important to the game balance that pirates (in this case ganking pirates) have to actually evaluate what they gank. In it's current state most pirates get away just ganking everything in their path, even cargoless hulls.

They can gank 2-3 cargoless freighter hulls and on the 4th gank, they get a typical cargo (say 1 bil flat). Repeat this routine until sec status gets too low. Result: All lost ships payed + sec status tags needed for all the gankers + profit leftover.

If you gank 4 times, and 3 of those ships are cargoless, you should be losing ISK barring the 4th ship being unusually expensive.

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Being able to gank your freighter after you've ganked mine does not mean everything is balanced and fair. Remember, you are ganker. I am a hauler (in this case of course... in actuality I'm a crappy low-sec pirate). That means the balance needs to remain within those roles. If you plan your gank right, I should be ganked. I should not gank you back, because I'm just some lowly hauler.

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There's also something to be said about civilized conversation. Everyone in this thread getting their panties in a bunch... sheesh :P. There's no facts here, this is a rather subjective issue. Thus learn to respect each others opinions on this matter.

I wonder how many of you would go into work and argue with a coworker like this. The answer is pretty much 0 because without the anonymity of the internet, you'd be too embarrassed to communicate like that.

Lgi boats, boosting ships, web bonused frigs, insta lock canes.

Yes, but the options for a pre-emotive strike ARE limited, this is unfortunate. It's also the way of it.

It would be nice to have but the logistics (no pun) are not possible I don't believe.

The first idea would allow people to go in first with some war ships and clear the way. It would add risk in the form of PVP for the Suicide Gankers. They are already doing some kind of PVP but now their targets might actually shoot back.

An addition can be made, as in during the 3day(actual number to be decided) period any Suicide Ganker should be allowed, if he wants to, to pay a fine(fine value should be directly related to the ISK value of the items/ships he destroyed, not an equal value by all means, but 5% to 10% of that value). Paying the find would end the time period in which he can be attacked by anyone.

This can be used to avoid mistakes, for example some new player using a BS targetting and destroying a frigate/cruise by mistake.(as if it is a mistake he would only fire once) This way, after he gets taken out by CONCORD, he can pay the fine and be done with it. The fine in a such a case would be minimal, 5% to 10% of the cruiser value would not be much(in most cases under 1 mil ISK) for a player already owning a BS and would be a good way to not punish people for making mistakes.

The fine for a Suicide Ganker killing a Marauder/Freighter or constantly ganking mining ships.... would be substantial, big enough so it can`t be payed after every successful gank to avoid the time period in which he can be shot by anyone.

It should be enough for the Suicide Gankers taking out miners as i have just looked at a very known corp specializing in taking out mining barges in High Sec. Their estimated destroyed ISK value for one of their players(they work alone or in pairs) was 8bil+(yes he killed a lot of mining barges) so 5% to 10% of that would be 400mil to 800mil, enough as not be cheap for them to be able to just pay the fine without taking a loss, as the fine is intended to either let players that made a mistake get away with it or be used AT A LOSS by the Suicide Ganker to be able to stop ganking and the retribution associated with it.

For the time period anyone can attack the Suicide Ganker, the Suicide Ganker should be noticeable in local(adding an icon to them) so when they enter local, people looking at local can notice a gang of Suicide Gankers is entering and decide if they want to risk it or just go and dock. This gives them the same option 0.0 players have, even less as they have no intel channels. This would provide a way for miners/people doing missions that are in belts/missions to defend themselfs by paying attention.

I will add this to the post where i presented the idea the first time. I find it quite balanced as now once a Suicide Gankers has actually Suicide Ganked people, everyone knows(for a time) what he does. If they are slow/don`t pay attention they will get caught and killed, but if they are paying attention and move faster than the Suicide Gankers they will escape. Now the victim has a chance. And the Suicide Gankers can become the victim of just about anyone if they Suicide Gank people, giving them the same treatment as their victims, who can be Suicide Ganked by anyone.

The Suicide Gankers still only risk 10-15mil ships while their potential victims risk 1bil+ ships(so 100 times more) but it would be fair now as the victim can at least pay attention and escape if he is fast enough.

Lol, when I read the thread title my first thought was "the only realistic approach to punish an immortal money hoarding, amoral demigod would be to let him pay the insurance of the ship he destroyed illegally."

I had to smile about my own bad idea for poping into my head like that.