Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So fitting a BS with deadpace modules is suicide. That is exactly my point and i think things should change. We are talking about a huge number of modules people can`t fit as it essentially gets them killed. I doubt CCP intended for people not to be able to fit deadspace/faction mods without getting hunted and killed for profit in High Sec.


As for the freighter, if it has an escort it will not get attacked. They will just go for the one that has no escort. I don`t think people should escort a freighter in High Sec or lose it. Not in High Sec. This is fine for low sec as you can secure your space and make sure the freighter has a clear path(or use a jump freighter). But in High Sec you can`t clear a path, you can`t even War Dec the Suicide Gankers as they use NPC corps....

The other tricks are nice but they have the same flaw CONCORD has, they act a a revenge mechanic but don`t help you survive.

Stop playing EVE. Right now.

This is clearly not the game for you.

Just.

Stop.

My bad here. I read 1000km3.

I just came up with another idea. How about after you Suicide Gank something, for 3 days(the number can be adjusted), anyone in EVE can kill you at no penalty while in High Sec. This way a new profession would be introduced and Suicide Gankers would have a predator. Just like anyone else does. I think it fits the spirit of EVE. Players will punish the Suicide Gankers for their criminal actions, taking the matter into their own hands, sand box style. CONCORD would still act as a revenge mechanic for the Suicide Gank victim, but now players can actually CLEAR the Suicide Gankers from an area.

The other advantage is that it would benefit the Suicide Gankers if they are in the same Corporation, otherwise, during the 3 day period they will be killed 1 by 1 with only their corp members being able to help them/attack their attacker. Of course, this would only work if the corporation is not a NPC corp, otherwise it would not allow anyone to help. Another benefit of the idea.

A win - win. I will make this my favorite idea in the OP.

Say hello to the new profession of EVE - the Suicide Ganker hunter, protector of the weak and bane of the griefer.

Later addition:

The first idea would allow people to go in first with some war ships and clear the way. It would add risk in the form of PVP for the Suicide Gankers. They are already doing some kind of PVP but now their targets might actually shoot back.

An addition can be made, as in during the 3day(actual number to be decided) period any Suicide Ganker should be allowed, if he wants to, to pay a fine(fine value should be directly related to the ISK value of the items/ships he destroyed, not an equal value by all means, but 5% to 10% of that value). Paying the find would end the time period in which he can be attacked by anyone.

This can be used to avoid mistakes, for example some new player using a BS targetting and destroying a frigate/cruise by mistake.(as if it is a mistake he would only fire once) This way, after he gets taken out by CONCORD, he can pay the fine and be done with it. The fine in a such a case would be minimal, 5% to 10% of the cruiser value would not be much(in most cases under 1 mil ISK) for a player already owning a BS and would be a good way to not punish people for making mistakes.

The fine for a Suicide Ganker killing a Marauder/Freighter or constantly ganking mining ships.... would be substantial, big enough so it can`t be payed after every successful gank to avoid the time period in which he can be shot by anyone.

It should be enough for the Suicide Gankers taking out miners as i have just looked at a very known corp specializing in taking out mining barges in High Sec. Their estimated destroyed ISK value for one of their players(they work alone or in pairs) was 8bil+(yes he killed a lot of mining barges) so 5% to 10% of that would be 400mil to 800mil, enough as not be cheap for them to be able to just pay the fine without taking a loss, as the fine is intended to either let players that made a mistake get away with it or be used AT A LOSS by the Suicide Ganker to be able to stop ganking and the retribution associated with it.

For the time period anyone can attack the Suicide Ganker, the Suicide Ganker should be noticeable in local(adding an icon to them) so when they enter local, people looking at local can notice a gang of Suicide Gankers is entering and decide if they want to risk it or just go and dock. This gives them the same option 0.0 players have, even less as they have no intel channels. This would provide a way for miners/people doing missions that are in belts/missions to defend themselfs by paying attention.

I will add this to the post where i presented the idea the first time. I find it quite balanced as now once a Suicide Gankers has actually Suicide Ganked people, everyone knows(for a time) what he does. If they are slow/don`t pay attention they will get caught and killed, but if they are paying attention and move faster than the Suicide Gankers they will escape. Now the victim has a chance. And the Suicide Gankers can become the victim of just about anyone if they Suicide Gank people, giving them the same treatment as their victims, who can be Suicide Ganked by anyone.

The Suicide Gankers still only risk 10-15mil ships while their potential victims risk 1bil+ ships(so 100 times more) but it would be fair now as the victim can at least pay attention and escape if he is fast enough.

Not necessarily, but when chances are good (and 50% is good) that any particular module will drop, then maybe blinging out a ship with half (or more) of the modules being bling, then you're painting a target on yourself.

Be unpredictable -- fly mostly T2 ships, but bring out a bling ship only for the "hard" things (e.g. "The Blockade").
I mean, look at if from the other side, if there's a 10% chance of you getting scanned every time you undock, and "The Blockade" (or other "difficult for that level" mission) only occurs 1/20 times (5% of the time), over 100 missions, you're looking at a 0.5% chance of actually getting scanned out as having a bling ship.

That's pretty good odds in your favor, as opposed to the "100% chance" of getting scanned if you only fly the bling ship.





I generally don't have my freighter escorted in hisec, and have lost a grand total of one(1) ... because I got the math wrong between "Eve Time" and "local time". I've moved (all told) about 100b+ worth of goods in it (no not at one time, I limit to 1-1.5b).



Not sure WTF you're talking about here. There is only one thing guaranteed in hisec, and that is concord WILL destroy someone for "unlawful" aggression. Anything after that is the players swinging things in their favor.

For those on all sides just posting the same points over and over again. If people disagreed with you before, they're not going to agree with you on your 40th time saying the same *** ***** thing.

Haulers and industrialists have risks.
Gankers have risks.

There are no guarantee here of profit. The fundamental problem is that freighters can't fit a tank and escort duty blows. There are better ways to make ISK than running an escort duty operation.

The second point that keeps being missed is that the loss of the freighter hull is what hurts much more than the loss of the goods. Freighters are too expensive and the only way to make that money back efficiently is by running more expensive stuff/m3. Otherwise you'll get your money back months or years later.

Oh, and hauling stuff itself is pretty annoying. The problem is that barring finding some compassionate friend(s) who are willing to run escort duty 50 freaking jumps with almost the slowest thing in the game is that you are forced to run solo in a freighter or just not use it.

If CCP does anything, it should be to find a way to make escort duty not the boringest thing ever. Oh and drop the cost of freighter hulls a bit by dropping the required materials to build one.

On the gank side... yes, ganking should be in the game and no, it's not always successful, but frankly it's a lot more fun than doing the freighter pilot thing. Frankly fear of a gank is the only reason to really even pay attention half the time in this game.

Also for the guy who keeps asking why it's so rare if it's profitable. Logical fallacies aside which doesn't require they be related, there are many possible reasons. It can be that it's rare because it's hard to get that many people together at once. It could be rare because it's not very fun. It could be rare because most people who like PvP live in low and null. It can be insanely profitable and rare. They are not mutually exclusive.

The fundamental problem here is that you have two very different groups of people who apparently have decided that the enjoyability of the game for the other person doesn't matter. Gankers don't care if the game sucks for haulers and haulers don't care if the game sucks for gankers. Rather than treat each other as enemies, why doesn't everyone come together to figure out a way to make it fun for both. I regularly play in game where I lose and enjoy the fact that I can. Losing isn't the problem.

To the haulers, if you really want a game where you can just click on things and get rewards with no real player interaction, get on Facebook and play social games.

And to the gankers, if you really just want a game where you can annoy people you don't know for fun, you're just an ******* and EVE doesn't need you.

But we can have both. A world where hauling is interesting and challenging and a world where ganking is interesting and challenging and both can be profitable.

People will complain about gankers until they are invulnerable in highsec. ie 100% safe to afk in anything with anything in the hold.

Personally i want more sand in the sand box. Titans in highsec, Bombs and Bubbles.

It would be really funny. Since a bubble would make you a criminal anytime someone tried to warp in the bubble. There is no way a bomb is not going to hit something that is not illegal, like smartbombs. You could get a sec status of -10 in about a second. And then there is all the killrights.

Of course if we can have carriers and titans in highsec, then perhaps concord should get a few. Now that is the highsec i want.

Well, it adds some risk and allows players who don`t like Suicide Ganking to fight the gankers. Sure the Suicide Gankers can stay docked for 3 days after every gank... i think they should be allowed, as everyone can stay docked and mitigate risk.

I like it because if you dislike Suicide Ganking and want them to stop you can now go and stop them. And it is totally player based, no automatic mechanics... just good old PVP.

That's too easy and profitable. I hear people don't want easy ISK, they actually require a challenge.

Introduce Damage reduction mechanics of some sort: that make cheap swarm gank fleets less viable against large defenseless targets. Subtract a value from incoming damage that's very close to what a "disposable" ship can deliver,, but trivial for something of comparable cost to land, and call it a day.

Basically, require a single projectile alpha damage higher than ganking ships can put out. Either subtract it out, or make it a threshold. - the damage is shrugged off if the threshold isn't met.

then caps, mommies and titans become harder to kill. Some of these ships got hp adjusted to die in more reasonable timeframes.
Gang damage reduction takes that away.


Defenceless is also a relative term. One ccp can't define readily. Jump a dread like say phoenix and it is defenseless against other caps and BS'. Caps can speed tank it half decent and bs's are a total waste of ammo.

Disposable also relative. One player can be broke as hell and can't afford to lose an AF. Another player can lose these often and not care. Also have to factor in the level of pvp. In the blob when its going to crap you know fc's main concern is getting caps and above off the field. Fleet BS's are disposable/expendable. BC's and below are usually SOL since even lower on the priority list