Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Plastic buckets.

And ice cream scoops.

I agree and i have removed the original idea from the OP as there are better ones inside the thread. I have added guidelines for anyone willing to help up get the Suicide Gankers to risk more than they currently do.

What if the victim is in a hauler corp? Are they not allowed to play EVE? Or is having combat characters the mandatory way to go for a High Sec hauler corporation?

Besides, the problem is that you only need 10-15mil per person to take the freighter out. And even your total loss is a lot lower compared to the victim. So low that half of his cargo is enough for you to make a lot of ISK.

Not to mention haulers in High Sec are forced to go from gate to gate, even the Jump Freighters. So Suicide Gankers get all the tactical advantages possible.

Making Suicide Gankers risk as much ISK as their victims would still leave them with all the tactical advantages and ability to pick their targets at will from a steady stream of slow vulnerable ships. Only the monetary risk would be equal. But from what we can see you just want to be able to earn big and risk 10mil. I say try the lottery.

If you modify OP, you might want to keep the best ideas in OP with links to the post and 1 line description because very few people will read 14+ pages of posts to distinguish the real gems from trolling and stuff.

If you insist on putting yourself in a position where it is profitable to kill you then yes you are expected to have someone who can deal with combat situations.

EVE is a game about conflict, if you can't deal with it then stop playing.

Also your 15 mill per person argument is stupid, because you are dividing the cost between the people but apparently never thought to divide the reward by the number of people as well.

Funny, I've never been ganked hauling....weird. Oh wait, I didn't fill up my freighter with 1 billion or more in cargo value.

Never mind.

Every Suicide Ganker admitted they do this for profit. So it is a little late to try and say you are not making money bla bla. Besides i used minimal cargo value for the freighters when the reality is some of them have 10-20bil in their cargo.

They are rare but they exist. One gank like that and the average reward skyrockets. As i said, i only used the lower values, the real average win is above that.

Just check the KB and you will see what i mean.

As for the people insisting they get killed... not everyone can use a disposable ship to get the job done and not care if its lost.

You do this for profit and claim Suicide Ganking must be profitable no matter what. What if we go and say "hauling must be profitable no matter what, same for mining". Your Suicide Ganking is not a special snowflake and does not deserve special treatment. And if haulers/miners end up in the red on occasion due to losses, so should you. On occasion. No matter how much you come here and claim you shouldn`t.

Right, on average suicide ganking is profitable. That is if you take a large number of suicide ganks and look at the average loot drop vs. the average loss to the gankers it is profitable.

But no single gank is assured of turning a profit. Claims to the contrary are a lie.

I did not avoid the question i avoided the trolls.

You use a freighter that scoops the loot and runs to the closest station where it docks. From there i can only think you move it in freighters that are clean(no kill rights/no flags) and in much smaller chunks.

I will now present you with 2 scenarios:

1. A pilot gets some deadspace modules on his battleship, resist modules/a booster, damage mods, maybe even some caldari launchers(4x damage mods = 400+mil, launchers = 200mil, booster=600mil-1bil, boost aplifier = 200mil). He uses the ship to do missions. He gets scanned without knowing like it usually happens. He is a careful pilot and usually stays aligned in his mission but he has to move toward the objective at some point. The cloaked ship that also scanned him waits for 5minutes until the missions ship moves to his objective no longer staying aligned. Then he calls for the Suicide Gank squad, 10 destroyers. At this point the mission ship is under attack from both the NPC`s and the destroyers. He explodes.

We are talking about a mission fit here, that will not survive that kind of damage and he has no way to avoid getting caught.

Now you, as an expert pilot can help say what can that pilot to and survive. He is in High Sec and after all he has the right to be able to exist just like the Suicide Gankers and also has the right to make profit. You always say people getting killed are stupid/fail to fit a tank and so on. So show us how to survive/prevent that scenario.

2. The mission pilot has loot he wants to sell. He uses his freighter pilot and starts moving toward Jita. He knows about Suicide Ganks so he does not use his freighter to move High Value items, he is moving the junk mission NPC`s drop, that is valued at about 10mil per 1000m3. He uses half of his cargohold, 400.000m3 to haul LOW VALUE items, exactly what you people say freighters should carry. He has 4 bil in his cargo(not uncommon at all). He is scanned. The gankers know exactly how much damage is needed to take him out. He is Suicide Ganked and killed.

The question here is how can he survive the gank? You claim pilots fly untanked/do something wrong. Show us how you would survive the gank or what you would do to prevent it.


I will say in advance: If your suggestion is not to do that - as in don`t use deadspace modules or fly with only 20% of the cargo full, then don`t bother answering as you are making my point: People can`t get full use of their freighters even if they load them with junk/People are unable to use any deadspace/faction modules as they will surely get ganked with no chance to survive.

Also please provide us with some numbers - as in how much are the Suicide Gankers risking, how much do all of their ships cost?

1. Don't fit 1.5b+ of stuff on your BS
2. DSCAN
3. fit for PVP instead of mission-specific
4. D-SCAN



1. Hire RFF
2. Fly with a group ... say 2 guardians (or T1 logi), falcons (or griffins, or hell scorpions/widows), 1 or 2 webbing frigates, and a scout. that much rep, ewar, web, etc will have the gankers looking at someone else in a heartbeat (or re-reviewing what you have because WTF).
3. Avoid the known ganking systems (Uedama?)
4. Use a closer/regional hub instead of Jita
5. Freight cans filled to about 500m or so (or 4 full, 4 empty) ... IIRC cans are calculated (with all their things) as one item, so they'd need all 8 cans to get 4b (or the right 4/8) ... also, split the expensive stuff around. Yeah, if you die, you lose all the things, but the "four cans" they get might not make up for the cost to gank you.

Obviously all ideas will probably work on their own, but your chances will go up dramatically if you use multiple things.