Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are reading things that aren't there. They never mentioned cynoless jump drives, they only mentioned jump drives. Hence my (more logical) assumption of cyno drones. Fire off a pilotless drone towards the nearest star system. You can accelerate it a lot faster then a manned ship, due to the lack of squishy people. It'll get there a lot faster.

This idea has got me thinking. A few more ideas to throw into the mix, picking up on the "stepping stones" concept:

Let's say we get a new type of signature, "Deep Space SIgnatures" (DSS). These are found way outside current system limits, and can be scanned down using scan probes (either a new kind of probe or a beefed up Deep Space Probe).

Oh, and you don't know what's going to be there until you get there; so when you make the jump to a new DSS, you might find yourself unexpectedly back in K-space, or in a DSS that's already occupied, or empty, or full of stuff too hard for your skills, or - if you're lucky - a real plum of a DSS that's going to keep you busy for a week.

DSS move every downtime - there are no permanent routes - and at any one time each DSS may have a limited number of other DSS within scan range (which may or may not connect to K-space (or W-space)). Or it may have none in range. So once you're in deepspace, you never know when you might find a route back to K-space. My preference would be to make the chance of finding a K-space exit low, so you can be stuck out there for months at a time.

I'd also suggest a limit on deepspace jumps - so if a ship is capable of deep space jumps, it can only do one per day, which means you can't go back to the DSS you just came from (because they move every downtime).

Think of a DSS as a "system" if you like - so when you get there there may be a number of things to do (there might be planets, belts, combat sites, new challenges etc), all of which have to be scanned down using regular exploration probes. Once you've exhausted the resources of a DSS, it's time to move on.

I think it would make sense to have a new kind of vessel - a deepspace exploration vessel perhaps something like an Orca, or perhaps something like the smallholding / homesteading / baseships that were suggested in the nullsec design goals discussions (two birds with one stone?)

I hope the devs pick up on this thread...

Basically boils down to a party doing dungeon crawling, like in RPG games.
Both, casual friendly or you can crawl as much as your stamina/environment will allow.
Random loots and stuffs (ala Diablo) will keep the interest going.

Now adapt the above to EVE's space context, you have some massive potential for a new area of gameplay.
WH came close but is too predictable and comes at a hassle (imo).
If they wrap it around the Incursion PUG concept, it'll give even more reason for folks stick and play EVE.

Good points, but depending on nature of smallholding / base ships not necessarily idea-killers. For example, some of the smallholding ideas included small-scale refining / manufacturing modules (allowing use of local materials for replacement ammo / drones etc). And if there's a fuel requirement for setting up a smallholding then PI or ice availability may facilitate long stays in deepspace.

This is new, so let's not be limited by existing EVE constraints. Maybe you're right and we don't want PI or mining, maybe we want something only found in deepspace that's valuable and easily portable (like melted nanoribbons). Or maybe base ships have HUGE cargoholds. Or maybe Thukker nomads are already out there and you can pay them to bring stuff back to K-space for you, or use them as trade hubs in deepspace (if you can find them). Or maybe ore or PI can be used to lure deepspace star worms to you whose essential oils act as a superbooster. The only limit is our imagination (oh yeah, and dev time and computing power I guess).

Or maybe as I mused in my first post, you don't go to deepspace for the ISK, you go for the challenge. If all a player is interested in is his wallet, maybe deepspace isn't for him.

Indeed

A few things that would completely ruin this would be sov and jump freighters. I don't think POS's should be such a problem, I mean if you can make it thru the logistical nightmare of actually getting one set up with proper defense and offense mods in place then you deserve it. Another thing I want to add to the brain storming going on here is how about we introduce these 'deepspace' systems as something to do with the story line. For example and purely for for example reasons unless it gets picked up is have the priate factions also explore these regions of unknown space. Yes, yes I know about wormhole space but until CCP decides to add more of the back story into it, its just a isk farm and I'm sure we can all agree to that. However going further into the dynamics of this beautiful idea (thanks OP for getting the ball rolling) let's say for instance your a lone traveler\/explorer and you did manage to enter these uncharted areas you run across another from say blood raider faction (yes I'm biased but saying BR faction here is for example reasons) and you can either decide to fleet up and explore together with an advanced AI NPC that can probe and pass on intel to you about what its found and even quite possiblly fight in the radars/mags etc etc with you. Or you can simply destroy the NPC and loot him for whatever bookmarks he may already have and learn what it is he was up to initially. So many ways we can take this but the foundation of the idea is pretty solid.

So...you want WH space just without the WH's?

Ummm...sure...why the **** not? But no gates either if it can't be colonized with outposts or anything else of the like...lol Wouldn't make any sense to have gates if you can't have bases.

Being deep space I see no reason why there's need to be a single jump-in point. With long-distance gateless travel I would have thought it would make more sense to jump into a random spot in the destination "system".

Add a No Local on Dead space and I'm all in
Also I posted about a alien race that act basically like the Necromorph in dead space, but in the eve case they can take control of mechanics too, perfect scenario to add em.

Oh yes , when you warp to a Dead space, you warp to random place in there.
Planet, asteroid field, anomalies and etc etc.

T2 rorqual or tier 2 mothership/titan

act like mothership from Freespace - with ability to create t1 ships, mods, ammo, drones ( assembly lines, bring bpc's please !)

so a small group can pilot their mobile station/ship with the idea of exploring while moving their beastie through deepspace

They need to mine minerals to keep fuel avail and such, so grav sites are needed along with ice in a similar vein, as they move their caravan through the area

they can find stuff out there, but can't use what they find out there. gotta bring it back to profit, but enough stuff out there to survive in your t1 ships IF you brought the right BPCs

When moving through NPC space - they'll need to stay alive - NPCs will run, regroup and attack with some intelligence

Need to make it so its near impossible for your group to be found by someone not in your immediate group, either for reinforcements or enemies. You get lost you stay lost.

Getting out should be not too easy, and not the way you came in. If you get separated from your mothership and can't probe it down (i.e. you weren't logged in for 2 days and your mothership left your area and you didn't log out while docked inside your mothership) then sac yourself back to new eden.