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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#161 - 2013-11-01 16:56:05 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Andski wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.


1) There is nothing wrong with Somer talking with CCP over Skype.
2) If what "makes you sick" is that nobody is getting banned, it'd be ridiculous of CCP to hand out bans for something they previously had a permissive attitude towards.


It is sickening because we, the playerbase, have gotten the wall of silence throughout this entire affair from CCP, while Somer appears to just be able to call-up CCP whenever he wants to and be all chummy. Keeping in mind that CCP's blatant favoritism towards Somer is what get this whole thing kicked off in the first place.


So if CCP decided to ban everyone that buys PLEX using isk cause they decide that everyone must spend real money, they you would be cool with that?

Nothing like banning people for stuff they have been told is allowed.

PLEX was specifically designed to be traded on the market.
Your "PLEX only available through money" is called "subscription".

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#162 - 2013-11-01 17:00:45 UTC
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
I could care less


Stop. Saying. That.
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#163 - 2013-11-01 17:01:13 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Andski wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.


1) There is nothing wrong with Somer talking with CCP over Skype.
2) If what "makes you sick" is that nobody is getting banned, it'd be ridiculous of CCP to hand out bans for something they previously had a permissive attitude towards.


It is sickening because we, the playerbase, have gotten the wall of silence throughout this entire affair from CCP, while Somer appears to just be able to call-up CCP whenever he wants to and be all chummy. Keeping in mind that CCP's blatant favoritism towards Somer is what get this whole thing kicked off in the first place.


So if CCP decided to ban everyone that buys PLEX using isk cause they decide that everyone must spend real money, then you would be cool with that?

Nothing like banning people for stuff they have been told is allowed.


The EULA is the EULA even if some CCP devs enjoy playing Blink so much that they're willing to ignore the rules in this case.

And if you can't tell the difference between PLEX and Somer's current RMT firesale, then that's your problem, not mine.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#164 - 2013-11-01 17:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
MetaMorpheus Jones wrote:
If the shoe fits, babycakes . . .

This subject took a turn for the worse long, long before I commented on them. The fact is that players of your ilk have been crying and whining about "unfair" and "favoritism" and all sorts of nonsense from the moment this issue broke the surface. It is not enough that CCP reversed their decision on the "special" ships for Somer's EveVEGAS activities, it is not enough that CCP decided to curtail the GTC bonuses, it is not enough that SomerBLINK can no longer conduct business as they have been used to doing, and in fact, the forum warriors see the fact that CCP gave the affiliates 10 days to comply is further evidence of collusion and conspiracy.

Pathetic.
We are simply calling out what we see. Somer making a mint while shitting on the community. And the complaint ish that the 10 days look suspect. The 10 days was given to give time to adhere to the rules. If Somer had done nothing for the 10 days, that would be fine. But it's that they clearly could abide by the rules now, but instead they've chosen to RMT like crazy before they run out of time. That's what we don't like. All the other sites did the right thing by packing it in as soon as they could.

Seriously though, if you're not a Somer shill, why troll so hard?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Oh yeah, because of poor precious Somer needs protecting from us, the evil community that hates RMT.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2013-11-01 17:13:22 UTC
No, no, guys, you've got it all wrong. "Greed is good".

Dodixie > Hek
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#166 - 2013-11-01 17:13:28 UTC
Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Yaay!!!!
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#167 - 2013-11-01 17:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Your analogy is somewhat out of place.
Translating this to the case of SOMER we would need to assume that they were a business solely designed with the purpose to sell the ISK they had/were making. But they werent. Or they werent at least in the perception of most players and CCP. They were a business to get loads of ISK and nothing more.

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Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#168 - 2013-11-01 17:20:05 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.



The other GTC affiliates didn't seem to have any trouble taking down their bonuses within the first day or so, only Somer is engaging in this RMT firesale.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-11-01 17:23:55 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.



Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.


Yes, I believe "Greed is good" comes to mind with CCP doing anything about it. They didn't care they were making crap tons of money of it.

Plus if it was still supposedly legal why would CCP be shutting them down? Suck on some more of SOMER's teet before its all dried up..
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#170 - 2013-11-01 17:28:16 UTC
CCP got scammed. Everyone does some time or another.

And I'll throw in a "**** SOMER" too. I never bought **** from them, and never will at this rate. Even if they go completely legitimate and offer an apology, I still wouldn't buy from them.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-11-01 17:33:17 UTC
1. Selling Mr. Pibb was always forbidden.
2. The "stockpiles" of Mr. Pibb are in fact owned by CCP, and are expressly forbidden from being sold in this manner.
3. "Flaunting" the fact they are doing something forbidden is not only bad form, it makes CCP look like chumps, or collaborators.

flaunt
flɔːnt/verb
gerund or present participle: flaunting

1.display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.
"newly rich consumers eager to flaunt their prosperity"
synonyms: show off, display ostentatiously, draw attention to, make a (great) show of, put on show, put on display, parade, exhibit;

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MetaMorpheus Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-11-01 17:38:39 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer making a mint while shitting on the community.


Odd how none of that **** seems to have fallen on me. Or any of the people I fly with. Or anyone I know in the Eve community. Maybe it's because I don't spend my time looking for ways to be offended, to be put-upon, to be treated "unfairly". Maybe it's because I see Somer the same way I see Vegas: If your dumb enough to drop your coin in the slot, I have no sympathy for you.


Lucas Kell wrote:
And the complaint ish that the 10 days look suspect. The 10 days was given to give time to adhere to the rules. If Somer had done nothing for the 10 days, that would be fine. But it's that they clearly could abide by the rules now, but instead they've chosen to RMT like crazy before they run out of time. That's what we don't like. All the other sites did the right thing by packing it in as soon as they could.


Thank you for proving my point. As I said, it s not enough that the problem has been addressed and a fix put in place. Now, you must complain that the offending site isn't doing it fast enough. They were given 10 days, and because they are using the 10 days they were given, you once again have to complain and whine and point fingers and say how unfair life is . . .



Lucas Kell wrote:
Seriously though, if you're not a Somer shill, why troll so hard?
Why not just **** off if you've got nothing constructive to add?



Just as you see SomerBLINK and this whole RMT mess as a pox on the game, so I see you as such. My constructive addition is no different than yours. It is directed at what I see as a serious problem with the Eve gaming community: a loud, obnoxious, and short-sighted legion of forum warriors that think they speak for the playerbase; a community that has raised butthurt to nobel prize-winning levels.

Quote:
Oh yeah, because of poor precious Somer needs protecting from us, the evil community that hates RMT.


I don't like RMT, but the fact is that RMT is and has been a part of the MMORPG world for as long as MMORPGs have existed. I propose that it is not RMT you hate, it's CCP. It's the notion that they gave someone some advantage that they didn't give you, and you just can't get over it.

That monocle looks ridiculous. 
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#173 - 2013-11-01 17:43:51 UTC
I think Somer Blink is totally in the wrong by continuing to sell after being informed they need to take it down. They are within their legal rights to do so, but it's reprehensible to continue to do so, and I like that the community is responding to that in the way they should.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#174 - 2013-11-01 17:48:00 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Doesn't mean we can't try and rake their name through the mud for it. Generate as much hate for Somer as possible. Turn people against the company.

This Somer stuff in no way impacts me, but I can still have some fun ruining business for them.
Irishnox
Dirt Nap Holdings
#175 - 2013-11-01 18:10:01 UTC
EULA wrote:
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.


This part of the EULA is the most disturbing once you consider what Somer did.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#176 - 2013-11-01 18:10:18 UTC
While I haven't involved myself with Somer at all, I find it amusing how anyone in this thread who doesn't equate this issue with raping young girls is automatically labeled a "shill" for Somer.

Profit favors the prepared
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#177 - 2013-11-01 18:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: handige harrie
SOMER can't be bad, CCP themselves said SOMER are awesome and the goodguys.


I do however think SOMER might be doing the greatest scam/heist in eve in some days, so cash out while you can ;)

Baddest poster ever
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-11-01 18:31:15 UTC
This gave me quite the chuckle.

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#179 - 2013-11-01 18:40:00 UTC
If you see CCP more as a government entity than a company, you can start seeing the correlation between how the company known as Somer got off scott free, and how CCP enabled the practice. This is backhanded politics.

The government (CCP) has ALLOT of things that are illegal, being run by legit corporations. The rules are ONLY enforced if there is a loud enough scream from the community to enforce it.

Now CCP did exactly what a government entity would do against a large organized corporation that they had ties with, friends in, and used.

1) Did they seize all the isk Somer made through RMT? No.
2) Did CCP freeze, lockup, or ban any account from Somer? No.
3) Did CCP put out notice that what Somer is illegal? Yes. Did they penalize the company for anything they did? No.

What did CCP do..... send a email saying "please stop, but as you are our friend, we'll give you 10 days to make as much as you can before we demand that you stop".....

If this was any other corporation AND OR PERSON... the entire corporation would have been seized, all assets confiscated, all the accounts banned. Any discussion would have been locked, a serious notice to the community would have been released, and that would have been the end of it.

..... The Penalty for these people doing RMT, in the open.. for YEARS?... a letter saying "Could you please stop, the community is yelling at us cause we let you do it, so here's some time to cash in but you'll have to stop this specific practice".....

If you see CCP as a governing entity, they met a large corporation, they got involved, they let them slip by and break the rules, laws, contracts, eula, on a daily basis... and hourly basis.. for years... and CCP would have continued to let them do that if it was not for the community bringing up a Stink that CCP basically gave a multi billion isk corporation a bunch of free, elitist, unique stuff... for being unique in the community, to which the corporation would have "sold the CCP gift for cash by using the same mechanics they've been doing in the open for years".

Its guaranteed Somer would have put all the ships they were getting for free up on Blink, cashed in on people buying GTC for blink credit to bid on these ships, and CCP was fine with it till the community said "WTF"...

So CCP's answer to this.. ...... THERE WAS NO ANSWER TO THIS. OMG your too big, we f-ed up... here's a letter please stop, we'll come up with a deal later?????

RMT happened, there's years of logs of it happening, the corporation is CONTINUING to do it as per CCP's letter.....

Was this anybody else.. they would have been banned immediately.....

So why the hell hasn't CCP done it?... because Somer brings content to the game?

It makes me wonder if what we all should do is break the rules to the point where we create content for people... then not worry because no matter what, the governing body won't hurt us because we create added incentive for people to play there game....

Then again, that's capitalism. It ain't illegal if you don't get caught. If you do, make sure you know people so you can get off with a slap on the wrist and a warning.....

Yaay!!!!
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#180 - 2013-11-01 18:41:32 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.



Not the best analogy. Here's a better one:

Lets say you own a company and sell crack.

You've done that for a few years. It's illegal of course to buy or sell crack, but the government has given you a free pass because you give them a kickback on all the crack you sell. Meanwhile, individuals selling or buying crack get punished severely.

Then, the government gives your company an award for giving money to some charity. In the ensuing press, your crack business comes to light. People are outraged! Some because they are morally against crack, others because they are furious that they are not allowed to sell crack, but your company is. People begin their own crack businesses, while sending kickbacks to the government. In an effort to maintain order, the government finally decides to actually apply the law equally.

You get notified by the government that you cannot sell crack anymore. You have 10 day to stop selling crack, this is your only warning.


Would you:

1) Throw out your stockpile of crack?

2) Have a crack party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Crack Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the crack you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

Picking 2 or 3 may make you money, but in doing so you are making it very clear how little you think of the law, the government, or the people you are screwing over. 1 is the right thing to do. Yeah yeah, I know, "doing the right thing in EVE lol." Why is this any different? Because it involves real life cash. If I scam someone out of 10 billion ISK, that's the game. If I scam them out of $600, well that's jail time for me.

Which brings us to this:

Draydin Warsong wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
What is so bad about RMT?


This^^^

You can already RMT by buying directly from CCP. This is the reason I find it impossible to give any less of a crap what somer does.


You can turn RL cash into ingame money, yes. But you cannot turn ingame money into RL cash. That's what makes it RMT. If everyone was allowed to RMT, then you'd have vets getting hundreds of dollars or more on leaving EVE, which irritates CCP because they want people to pay THEM money, not their customers. Hence rules against RMT.

But then SOMER came up with a clever method that makes money for CCP while doing their RMT, and so they got a blind eye for quite a while. Moreover, CCP spotlighted them as a "community website", bringing in more business. Finally, when CCP finally got around to shutting down the scheme, they gave SOMER a 10 day grace period to avoid having to having to take action against them. How does SOMER repay this? By flaunting the **** out of their operation in a last-dtich effort to make real life money.